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Gruber: The gift that keeps on giving.

Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:37 pm
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ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber said “seniors do a terrible job choosing” their own public health care plans, according to presentation slides Gruber wrote that were obtained by The Daily Caller.

With ObamaCare limiting patients’ ability to choose their own insurance plans, doctors and medications, we might now know why: the law’s designers don’t think people know how to choose.

“We have experimented with choice in public insurance: Medicare Part D,” Gruber stated on a presentation slide dated Jan. 22, 2013. “Typical senior has 50 PDPs [Prescription Drug Plans] to choose from.”

But what’s wrong with seniors being able to choose their own plan?

“Seniors do a terrible job choosing,” Gruber said.

Gruber’s slide then claimed that 12 percent of seniors allegedly picked the lowest-cost Medicare Part D plan and could on average save up to 30 percent more, without noting that some seniors pick prescription drug plans that work for them that are not necessarily the cheapest possible plan.


So first he admits to deceiving the public about Obamacare and calling the public stupid.

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This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure” the Congressional Budget Office “did not score the mandate as taxes.” He also said that “lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” and added, “Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.”


He then admits, in architecting the Massachussetts plan, that he and Ted Kennedy defrauded the federal government for more than $400 million.

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“The dirty secret in Massachusetts is the deds paid for our bill…. Ok? In Massachusetts we had a very powerful Senator you may know. His name is Ted Kennedy.Ted Kennedy had basically figured out – Ted Kennedy and smart people in Massachusetts - had figured out a way to rip off the Feds 400 million dollars a year… "


And now he says that Seniors are too stupid to make their own choices on healthcare.

And it seems like the only rebuttal the left has is, "well he didn't know Obama". Yet he's been to the white house over 400 times, and the first video was taken after a visit to the white house.


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During the 1997–1998 academic year, Gruber was on leave as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Economic Policy at the Treasury Department. From 2003–06 he was a key architect of Massachusetts health care reform, also known as "Romneycare". In 2006 he became an inaugural member of the Health Connector Board, the main implementing body for that effort. The same year, he was named the 19th most powerful person in health care in the United States by Modern Healthcare magazine. During the 2008 election he was a consultant to the Clinton, Edwards and Obama presidential campaigns.[citation needed]

Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
In 2009–10 Gruber served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration and worked with both the administration and Congress to help craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often referred to as the ACA or "Obamacare".[5] The act was signed into law in March 2010, and Gruber has been described as an "architect", "writer", and "consultant" of the legislation. He was widely interviewed and quoted during the roll-out of the legislation.
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Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:42 pm to
Sounds a lot like death panels...
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:42 pm to
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Gruber: The gift that keeps on giving.
I get the impression that he always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Pretty arrogant and dismissive of the general public. People like him should be kept as far away from government as possible.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:44 pm to
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Pretty arrogant and dismissive of the general public. People like him should be kept as far away from government as possible.


He is the stereotypical bureaucrat. They are all like that, yet some folks want to give them even more control over their lives. It's amazing
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:44 pm to
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Pretty arrogant and dismissive of the general public. People like him should be kept as far away from government as possible.


People like that DOMINATE the upper levels of government. That is a big part of the problem (and it is a bipartisan one, no doubt.)

Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:44 pm to
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I get the impression that he always thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Pretty arrogant and dismissive of the general public. People like him should be kept as far away from government as possible.


Of given millions to 'consult'.

He is simply stating what is the bedrock of all liberal economic policy. People are too stupid to do what is best for them or the public good, so we should take the resources and make that decision for them... it is the common theme - he simply is stupid enough to say it out loud.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:49 pm to
the guy sounds like a POS, but i mean, is he wrong?

americans are stupid

seniors make bad decisions all the time, impaired ability to make decisions is a known issue with getting old.

He is a jackpot for republicans, how is it that they are just discovering him?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48437 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:51 pm to
Why are you bigoted towards people older than you? At what age in your mind do people start making bad decisions? 60, 70, 80?
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 12:52 pm
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51807 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:52 pm to
Sadly, he hasn't said anything that isn't true. The drones are looking for him as we speak.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Why are you bigoted towards people older than you? At what age in your bigot mind do people start making bad decisions? 60, 70, 80?


It varies by individual. But cognitive impairment is a medical fact associated with aging.
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All aging humans will develop some degree of decline in cognitive capacity as time progresses.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:55 pm to
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the guy sounds like a POS, but i mean, is he wrong?


I never said he was wrong. I have been saying, since day 1 of introduction of Obamacare, that it was a fraud. Those on the left said it wasn't. It has been proven to be more expensive and resulting in reduction of quality care for ALL (you can't keep your doctor).

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seniors make bad decisions all the time, impaired ability to make decisions is a known issue with getting old.


Well thats an absurd generalization based on zero fact. And who's business is it to decide that you no longer have a right to make a decision? What age restriction do you want government taking away your decision making skills?

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He is a jackpot for republicans, how is it that they are just discovering him?


2014 election. This shite has been locked away and covered up for political purposes. Same reason Obamacare mandates are keep getting pushed back. Because the political windfall will kill the Democrats. Thats why they are trying to change the laws and obtain as much control as possible, so when 2016 comes around, it won't matter who is elected. Because they won't have to follow the law anymore.

How do you defend these jackasses at every step? You are to blame for their actions.
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:56 pm to
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, but i mean, is he wrong? americans are stupid


Look at the White House, up vote for you...
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52805 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:57 pm to
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It varies by individual. But cognitive impairment is a medical fact associated with aging.


So what? You want the elderly to take a test before they can make their own decisions?

Why stop at elderly, why not black people? It varies by individual but the black community is at higher risk to make bad decisions and commit crimes, thus the high incarceration rate.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:58 pm to
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And who's business is it to decide that you no longer have a right to make a decision? What age restriction do you want government taking away your decision making skills?

that is a different topic entirely. but he is right, seniors make bad decisions. he apparently has data to prove it.
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2014 election.

it seems to me that it would have been a bigger landslide if it came out beforehand.
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How do you defend these jackasses at every step?

I am not defending him, I am just saying - what he said appears to be true to me. Did you not see where I said he appears to be a POS?
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You are to blame for their actions.

only as much as you are.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62453 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 12:59 pm to
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He is a jackpot for republicans, how is it that they are just discovering him?


Some guy got kicked off his insurance plan, and just sat down in his basement on his computer, and research the architect of Obamacare, and started Googling this Gruber guy. Started a blog, and it caught fire....all because he was kicked off his insurance plan....
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48437 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:03 pm to
So...you support grubers comments because cognitive impairment occurs as people age? If only there was some system in place currently to determine if someone was mentally incapacitated.

Would you support limiting decisions and having government mandate based on other types of aptitude evaluations as you do for elderly?
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:09 pm to
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Would you support limiting decisions and having government mandate based on other types of aptitude evaluations as you do for elderly?


probably not.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52805 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:16 pm to
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probably not.


Probably not for all types, or are you cool with just the elderly being told what they can and can't do?
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:21 pm to
Forget all your unnecessary arguements. The real question is..why would he be lying?

The guy basically put the bill together and it's procen. He was mentioned as a great person by top officials.

Now he's lying? Man yall are pathetic. Dude is coming clean and you guys insult him.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48437 posts
Posted on 11/17/14 at 1:22 pm to
Apparently he is just bigoted against those older than him.

It is classic liberalism....we must protect the poor victims from themselves. It's so patronizing. Women, minorities, elderly.....none capable of making on their own without big brother making decisions for them and/or getting some extra help others don't get. The hubris is astounding
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