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Jimbo, Crowton, Stud, Cam
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:50 am
Posted on 11/17/14 at 8:50 am
I hope everybody finally realizes that the Offensive Coordinators are not the problem. It has and will continue to be a problem as long as Miles is the coach. I'm not saying to fire the guy, but we need some alumni to put some pressure on him to make some changes.
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Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:00 am to Run DMC
I agree with Hanaigrif the scary part now is Cam believes the same thing as Les does. At least the other OC's tried to do something else.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:10 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Not enough fans realize this..... how many are still ignorant enough to still think this play calling is all the OC... I'll give them this, OC is calling plays during the game. But how do they not understand that Miles controls and dictates the play calling in the game plan during the week. He decides what plays are in the game plan, then this is what the OC has to choose from during the game... 
If anyone listened to Jennings after the game he said that they practice many plays during the week, but if Miles feels they don't get it perfect, he won't allow it in the game plan...
If anyone listened to Jennings after the game he said that they practice many plays during the week, but if Miles feels they don't get it perfect, he won't allow it in the game plan...Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:13 am to ZoTiger6
This has been a problem for 10 years. The only exception was 2007 during Crowton's first year when we had an unbelievable offense.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:16 am to Run DMC
quote:
I hope everybody finally realizes that the Offensive Coordinators are not the problem. It has and will continue to be a problem as long as Miles is the coach. I'm not saying to fire the guy, but we need some alumni to put some pressure on him to make some changes.
1. we didn't have a problem under Jimbo.
2. Crowton sucks, and we ran a ton from shotgun. The offense is clearly different. also he failed as a QB developer. Big time.
3. Stud was a problem. Look at the difference between 2012 and 2013 with the same players.
4, This year the problem is that we are playing based around a QB that isn't good. I am not ready to say Cam isn't good. Because our offense was exactly what we wanted last year.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:17 am to Run DMC
quote:
I hope everybody finally realizes that the Offensive Coordinators are not the problem. It has and will continue to be a problem as long as Miles is the coach. I'm not saying to fire the guy, but we need some alumni to put some pressure on him to make some changes.
this is all that needs to be said. we can anchor 99% of the other threads.....this covers it all
begins and ends with the aforementioned quote
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:19 am to Run DMC
Why doesn't CLM just take over the play calling if he won't let the OC do what they make big bucks to do
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:21 am to winston318
He needs a fall guy
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:23 am to Run DMC
Different OCs, same offense.
Les is clearly the problem. He is a great recruiter and should stick to recruiting and being the "face" of the program. However he needs to back the frick up from the offensive gameplan and allow the OC to do his job.
Les is clearly the problem. He is a great recruiter and should stick to recruiting and being the "face" of the program. However he needs to back the frick up from the offensive gameplan and allow the OC to do his job.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:25 am to winston318
quote:Miles don't care to call the plays, he cares more about dictating which plays are viable options for the week. Remember when we thought the 3 wide look we saw against Wisky would propel the offense to heights, well, we haven't seen it too much since. Simple route combination that Diarse scored on too. Curl and flat, but Les has no faith in the passing game.
Why doesn't CLM just take over the play calling if he won't let the OC do what they make big bucks to do
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:25 am to SammyTiger
quote:
1. we didn't have a problem under Jimbo.
2. Crowton sucks, and we ran a ton from shotgun. The offense is clearly different. also he failed as a QB developer. Big time.
3. Stud was a problem. Look at the difference between 2012 and 2013 with the same players.
4, This year the problem is that we are playing based around a QB that isn't good. I am not ready to say Cam isn't good. Because our offense was exactly what we wanted last year.
All this. We are running the offense we can run with a bad QB.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:32 am to DBU
quote:
Different OCs, same offense.
if you can't tell the difference between Crowton's offense and everyone else's then you either have selective memory, or you are just dumb.
This is what is crazy to me. We weren't good under Crowton, but we had a different offense.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:38 am to SammyTiger
quote:
1. we didn't have a problem under Jimbo.
2. Crowton sucks, and we ran a ton from shotgun. The offense is clearly different. also he failed as a QB developer. Big time.
3. Stud was a problem. Look at the difference between 2012 and 2013 with the same players.
4, This year the problem is that we are playing based around a QB that isn't good. I am not ready to say Cam isn't good. Because our offense was exactly what we wanted last year.
There were problems under Jimbo as well, e.g., 3 vs AU and 10 vs UF in '06 with a boatload of talent.
FTR, JJ with similar experience as AJ, had a much better soph season in '09 so maybe Crowton wasn't as bad we think or Cam isn't as good as we think or one is left to conclude that JJ >> AJ but that would make Crowton a better judge of talent than Cam.
Also and only a game, Stud scored 17 vs Bama in '12 - same as Cam vs Bama in '13 with "the same players."
I agree that our O was exactly what we wanted in '13. The big challenge is amassing that level of talent and experience year in and out. IMO, it's not realistic and another approach would serve is better.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:50 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
I agree that our O was exactly what we wanted in '13. The big challenge is amassing that level of talent and experience year in and out. IMO, it's not realistic and another approach would serve is better.
This is a valid argument.
It would be nice to have an offense a retard like Nick Marshall could run
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:54 am to Run DMC
The top scoring offenses in school history
#1) 2007 38.6ppg (Crowton)
#2) 2013 35.8ppg (Cameron)
#3) 2011 35.7ppg (Stud)
#5) 2006 33.7ppg (Jimbo)
*2003 is #4 at 33.9ppg
Les Miles has produced four of the top five scoring offenses in school history with FOUR DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS. He deserves equal credit for those years as blame for 2010, 2014...
#1) 2007 38.6ppg (Crowton)
#2) 2013 35.8ppg (Cameron)
#3) 2011 35.7ppg (Stud)
#5) 2006 33.7ppg (Jimbo)
*2003 is #4 at 33.9ppg
Les Miles has produced four of the top five scoring offenses in school history with FOUR DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS. He deserves equal credit for those years as blame for 2010, 2014...
This post was edited on 11/17/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:55 am to eelsuee
quote:So is youth to blame for the failures of this offense?
Les Miles has produced four of the top five scoring offenses in school history with FOUR DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:56 am to Run DMC
"It's all Miles" is a horribly simplistic way of approaching our offensive problems. It's almost laughable. Even conceding the point that the offensive scheme is 100% on Miles (which no reasonable person would), no one can seriously argue with a straight face that players' inability to throw, catch, line-up, open lanes, get off plays on time, know the plays, etc. is all on the head coach. What the frick do we pay an offensive staff over $2M for if one guy can [poorly] do the job.
Miles' biggest failure is hiring a guys to back him up that apparently don't know what the frick they're doing. Because let's face it, Miles is not an x's and o's and tight discipline kind of guy.
Miles' biggest failure is hiring a guys to back him up that apparently don't know what the frick they're doing. Because let's face it, Miles is not an x's and o's and tight discipline kind of guy.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:57 am to SammyTiger
quote:
I am not ready to say Cam isn't good.
I am. Most of those guys look as though they've never practiced together a day in their lives. That is not a "scheme" problem.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 9:58 am to Run DMC
the worst is every week that a-hole lies to the media "well I think we're going to look into opening up the offense this week..." Seriously....just shut the frick up with your bullshite.
Posted on 11/17/14 at 10:06 am to eelsuee
quote:
The top scoring offenses in school history
#1) 2007 38.6ppg (Crowton)
#2) 2013 35.8ppg (Cameron)
#3) 2011 35.7ppg (Stud)
#5) 2006 33.7ppg (Jimbo)
*2003 is #4 at 33.9ppg
Les Miles has produced four of the top five scoring offenses in school history with FOUR DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS. He deserves equal credit for those years as blame for 2010, 2014...
nice work. nice counter. I wish your post wasnt burried though. this should be its own thread. I wont plagiarize your work............so get on it
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