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re: Jimbo, Crowton, Stud, Cam
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:00 pm to eelsuee
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:00 pm to eelsuee
quote:
The top scoring offenses in school history
#1) 2007 38.6ppg (Crowton)
#2) 2013 35.8ppg (Cameron)
#3) 2011 35.7ppg (Stud)
#5) 2006 33.7ppg (Jimbo)
Then the obvious answer is that coaching is the achilles heel. We either were not prepared to play or the defense didn't play well. Can't argue with 07 and 2011. 2006 still baffles me. I understand both Auburn and Florida were top 5 and both on the road. We had Florida beat till we had a shite call and ruled Hester down on the 1 instead of a td. Next play Jamarcus fumbles on the 1. Then 99 yards later tebow jump pass. Opened up the 3rd with a fumble for a td in the endzone by LSU recovered by Florida and it was all she wrote. If we win that or Auburn, we probably get a rematch against Florida. Don't know if we win, but if we did I think we beat Ohio State for the ship.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:04 pm to SammyTiger
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1. we didn't have a problem under Jimbo.
2. Crowton sucks, and we ran a ton from shotgun. The offense is clearly different. also he failed as a QB developer. Big time.
3. Stud was a problem. Look at the difference between 2012 and 2013 with the same players.
4, This year the problem is that we are playing based around a QB that isn't good. I am not ready to say Cam isn't good. Because our offense was exactly what we wanted last year.
1. When Les came in, he let Jimbo mostly do what he was already doing.
2. When Jimbo left, it was Crowton and Miles, then after that 1st year, Miles became more and more stubborn with the offensive mind set, which was his goal all along.
Miles doesn't fail as a QB developer. The QB is playing as big a role as he ever will. He just gets fewer chances as it is, and it gets worse if he fails.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:14 pm to PacWilly
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Cam must accept responsibility for not developing our QBs or, at a minimum, designing plays for them to work within. Miles is not the one throwing INTs and locking onto receivers. Cam needs to teach better. Now...Ultimately, Miles is to blame because he hires the OCs.
This guy gets it.
Miles is anything but a QB guru, but blaming Jennings lack of development on him is ridiculous. Cam is a NFL OC who wants to run a NFL offense. Just look at the O last year. It may have only been two WR sets most of the time, but they still had a NFL route tree. Lots of quick slants, deep comback, deep crossing, deep out, and post routes. He could call those plays because Mett could make the throws. Jennings absolutely can NOT make those throws and never will. Harris has the physical ability to run that offense, but he obviously doesn't have the mental side down yet. Cams inability to adjust to the players he has this year is the reason the offense has struggled so much.
If Harris doesn't develop into the QB the coaches believe he can be then we are going to see this exact same offense next year because Jennings is just not capable of running Cams offense.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:34 pm to keeper05
quote:Offense + Defense + Special Teams has contributed to the points per game in every season in LSU history, including the Saban years. Miles' teams have done better in that category than any other including Saban.
Using ppg doesn't account for defensive touchdowns, special teams touchdowns, or really short fields because of turnovers.
quote:What better way is there than PPG that people actually use? Please don't be dumb enough to say total yards.
There are other ways of determining offensive effectiveness.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:41 pm to ZoTiger6
Stud is missed on this staff
Oline is worse
Offense is worse
Oline is worse
Offense is worse
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:43 pm to tjohn deaux
quote:
2. When Jimbo left, it was Crowton and Miles, then after that 1st year, Miles became more and more stubborn with the offensive mind set, which was his goal all along.
This is al speculation, what do do know is that Crowton declines throughout ever job he has
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:54 pm to tjohn deaux
Miles had a fundamental shift in his offensive philosophy after jarret lee's pick 6 party during the 2008 season. From that season on, he has trusted very little to his quarterbacks and has tried to play as conservative as possible on the offensive end. When the offense is on the field, he is trying to not lose instead of win. The offenses he had during 2008 and the seasons before were much more open and aggressive. He gave the OCs a lot more freedom, especially in regards to QB play. Mett was very successful in 2013 because Cam had a system that could play to mett's strengths, while also fitting right in line with miles philosophy. Unfortunately, it will prove to be very difficult to find a QB that is as developed and skilled for that system again.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:56 pm to Run DMC
To be fair, I don't think Studrawa was a good OC or offensive line coach.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:18 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
1. we didn't have a problem under Jimbo.
3 points at Auburn with a #1 qb and 2 1st round WR and another 3rd round WR. There was definitely a problem that day and it wasn't Fisher. Someone was meddling then and they're obviously still meddling now.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:08 pm to Run DMC
quote:
but we need some alumni to put some pressure on him to make some changes.
Miles has made changes you just listed 4 of them!!
It has nothing to do with making changes and everything to do with staying out of his OC's way let them call a game without interference from Miles and more importantly coach up the players that they have and put them in a position to succeed. Recruiting QB's that run the spread in high school and then put them into a run dominated offense with not a lot of need for a mobile QB doesn't make any sense. 
Posted on 11/18/14 at 3:11 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Well, we also had a QB, two WR's, and a RB that are starting and doing extremely well in the NFL as rookies. Part of being a good OC is to be able to adjust to the players you have and get at least something out of them even if they're young. Clearly, that has not happened.
I am not ready to say Cam isn't good. Because our offense was exactly what we wanted last year.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:24 pm to The Mick
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Well, we also had a QB, two WR's, and a RB that are starting and doing extremely well in the NFL as rookies. Part of being a good OC is to be able to adjust to the players you have and get at least something out of them even if they're young. Clearly, that has not happened.
This is the biggest issue and always has been with Les and his OCs. They made little to no adjustments to fit the offense to their players and that is what kills this team.
Urban Meyer in 2006 was a great example. Leak was nowhere near a fit for his offensive style of choice, and so he adjusted the scheme to fit his talent. The next season he went back to his offense with Tebow and we saw what happened as well.
Good coaches adjust, and Crowton didn't and Cam clearly is not. Jennings has nowhere near the passing skill or talent to run this offense and it should be tailored to fit him. Same thing with Harris. If he does better out of the shotgun, then let him run plays out of the shotgun and slowly bring along the under center snaps.
Instead, Cameron and Les try to force square pegs into a round hole.
JJ and Lee were both pro-style QBs, yet Les ad company tried to turn JJ into a dual-threat in a pro-style offense and he regressed.
It's not a lack of talent with these guys. None of them are perfect including Mett, but it just so happened that Mett fit into what Cam likes to do and Cam is a stubborn arse that won't change his ways even if its to his detriment not to.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 5:55 pm to Cracking
That's a really awesome post
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