re: "Serial" Podcast Discussion Thread...SPOILERS

Has anyone found a pic of Jay yet? When I was listening to Episode 8, I kept getting the impression that he looked like if a Hot Topic threw up on Lenny Kravitz.

Jay

Looks like a fricking murderer!!!

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yeah but that is a totally bullshite cop out about what is actually happening.

first of all, this was presumably a very huge event at the time (for Adnan) and being talked about every single day. there is not some six week leap where they just ask about an insignificant event all of a sudden. every day is a constant reminder and callback to the memory. every single day.

even if it took him a day or two of Hae not turning up to realize, "holy shite, that call with the cops and that entire day was huge" he hasnt forgotten yet. that memory thing is horse shite.

in fact, that's actually why i think he has some degree of involvement. he doesnt remember and always tried to forget ON PURPOSE because the memory puts him in a bad place at a bad time.

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bruh, you need to listen to Radiolab's episode on Memory.

Well that is not Lenny Kravitz.

it's no coincidence that all the innocent people involved in the story remember that day clearly.

-"cathy" girl remembers sketchy dude at her house being high
-other girl remembers that hae came to get food or whatever right after school
-other girls remember conversations about rides and what hae was doing after school

-adnan cant even tell us if he went to track practice or not

No, offense beam

Cafeteria lady remembers seeing Hae getting a bag of hot fries & apple juice. She doesn't remember seeing Adnan in the car.

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I think that's the part of this entire serious [SIC] that creeps me out the most. If Adnan (assuming he's not guilty) could remember 21 minutes of his life. He could be free. That would eat me up for the rest of my life.

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The things that stick out to me in this case are:

A person was found guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison on circumstantial evidence where the jury did not deliberate for very long. That's scary for it to be so easy.

No physical evidence used in trial? Hard to believe the girl wouldn't have skin under her fingernails from a struggle or that two teenage potheads were that meticulous in covering their tracks. That would be a tough pill to swallow.

Where were the shovels at trial? Jay made a big deal about going back to wipe them down, but no mention of them later. I guess maybe they were in a landfill somewhere by the time the ball got rolling on the investigation.

I'm sure any wounds Adnan might have had (if he were guilty) would have been healed six weeks later when they finally got to him, so I can understand no mention of that. But I'm sure someone would remember seeing them at some point if he had them...though it was winter in the Northeast.

Prime witness in the trial basically let off scot-free when obviously involved someway with a murder by pleading to a lesser charge. Crazy.

Also, very little interest in the changing stories. Granted the "core" of the story

Prime witness created, himself, a corroborating witness in the Jenn girl.

Then they went to "Cathy's" house, a person Jay knew, to create an alibi for one or both of them.

After reading those letters from the Asia girl, something just seems off about her offer to help, to me. Almost like she was offering to do it for attention, but the fact that no attorney talked to her seems stupid.

Is/was letting an "acquaintance" whom you know to be a "criminal element" have your car and phone for an entire day a normal occurrence in certain cities?

Why would Adnan make it a point to give Hae his number by calling her three times the night before if he had been plotting to kill her?

After demonstrating that it was important for her to have his number, why would Adnan not attempt to contact her in the days following her disappearance as they were supposedly staying friends unless he knew she was dead?

Clearly Jay was involved, but who else?. On the fence about Adnan, but could easily see him being guilty. I doubt I would be able to convict someone on the evidence we have so far been presented with.

Not sorry for the lengthy post.