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Rural hospitals in critical condition.

Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:05 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:05 am
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The Affordable Care Act was designed to improve access to health care for all Americans and will give them another chance at getting health insurance during open enrollment starting this Saturday. But critics say the ACA is also accelerating the demise of rural outposts that cater to many of society's most vulnerable. These hospitals treat some of the sickest and poorest patients — those least aware of how to stay healthy. Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden.

"The stand-alone, community hospital is going the way of the dinosaur," says Angela Mattie, chairwoman of the health care management and organizational leadership department at Connecticut's Quinnipiac University, known for its public opinion surveys on issues including public health.

The closings threaten to decimate a network of rural hospitals the federal government first established beginning in the late 1940s to ensure that no one would be without health care. It was a theme that resonated during the push for the new health law. But rural hospital officials and others say that federal regulators — along with state governments — are now starving the hospitals they created with policies and reimbursement rates that make it nearly impossible for them to stay afloat.


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Since the beginning of 2010, 43 rural hospitals — with a total of more than 1,500 beds — have closed, according to data from the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program. The pace of closures has quickened: from 3 in 2010 to 13 in 2013, and 12 already this year. Georgia alone has lost five rural hospitals since 2012, and at least six more are teetering on the brink of collapse. Each of the state's closed hospitals served about 10,000 people — a lot for remaining area hospitals to absorb.


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You wanted to stick it to "fly over country", good job Dems. Keep up the good work.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:14 am to
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Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden.
If this is the only factor killing these hospitals then they weren't meant to be.
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The closings threaten to decimate a network of rural hospitals the federal government first established beginning in the late 1940s
Modern non-liberals would be against a government set up network like this today, so there shouldn't be any opposition from this board in letting them die.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57701 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:16 am to
Shocking. Liberals in here sucking obama's nuts even on an obvious bad thing.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:17 am to
What is the new readmission/reimbursement policy in ACA? Serious question.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:18 am to
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Rural hospitals in critical condition.

if people in rural areas do not like their healthcare service, they should move to cities. its really that simple.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:21 am to
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Posted by onmymedicalgrind What is the new readmission/reimbursement policy in ACA? Serious question.
I don't know the exact numbers, but if a pt is discharged and then re-admitted within a certain timeframe, they will not pay the hospital.

I think that is it.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 10:22 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118834 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:21 am to
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What is the new readmission/reimbursement policy in ACA? Serious question.


I have no idea.

Disclosure: I posted this to keep the steady flow of bad news for the ACA going. I do not like the direction of healthcare in this country, thus my opposition.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:23 am to
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Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden.



What a load of crap.

The regulation doesn't even apply unless you have a minimum number of cases of a particular type.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118834 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:24 am to
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if people in rural areas do not like their healthcare service, they should move to cities. its really that simple.


I think that's what the Dems want. People herded into urban areas are easier for centralized governments to control.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:24 am to
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What is the new readmission/reimbursement policy in ACA? Serious question.

Basically, it's what I would call the "zero defect" approach to hospitals. When arguing FOR this provision, Democrats actually compared it to having to bring your car back to the shop after it was there yesterday.

Basically, it's a penalty for the hospital "not getting it right the first time".

As a medical student, I'm guessing you grasp how retarded that is. People, unlike Toyota Camrys, don't come with user's manuals and exact step by step instructions. It's a bit more challenging than that.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:25 am to
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if people in rural areas do not like their healthcare service, they should move to cities. its really that simple.


You're right. Its called "personal responsibility".
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:25 am to
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I don't know the exact numbers, but if a pt is discharged and then re-admitted within a certain timeframe, they will not pay the hospital.

Its 30 days where I work, and applies only to medicare/medicaid I believe. But I didn't think that was a new ACA policy. Could be wrong though.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:26 am to
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As a medical student, I'm guessing you grasp how retarded that is.


So its "retarded" that hospitals that are better at making their patients healthy get paid more than those who don't?

k.

Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54210 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:26 am to
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if people in rural areas do not like their healthcare service


Did the article say this? I read that the hospitals were failing because of regulations and reimbursements. Pretty sure the same thing can happen to big city hospitals also. No?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:28 am to
quote:

Basically, it's what I would call the "zero defect" approach to hospitals. When arguing FOR this provision, Democrats actually compared it to having to bring your car back to the shop after it was there yesterday. Basically, it's a penalty for the hospital "not getting it right the first time". As a medical student, I'm guessing you grasp how retarded that is. People, unlike Toyota Camrys, don't come with user's manuals and exact step by step instructions. It's a bit more challenging than that.

Yea I agree with you. I just didn't realize this was a new ACA thing. The people I worked with made it seem as if they were dealing with this BS for a while. But yes, I agree it is stupid. Good in "theory" dumb as hell in reality.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10590 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:29 am to
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So its "retarded" that hospitals that are better at making their patients healthy get paid more than those who don't?

Its a bit more complicated than this TUba.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:30 am to
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So its "retarded" that hospitals that are better at making their patients healthy get paid more than those who don't?
No it's retarded when y'all treat medical care like an oil change.

It seems to be the knee jerk response by those who are unable to comprehend the medical sciences.

Just make it appear less complex by comparing it to fixing a car and your inability to understand the topic doesn't scare you as much.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:30 am to
It's no coincidence that the 43 hospitals that closed are disproportionately to be found in those states that have refused to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. Rural hospitals in particular depend on Medicaid reimbursement to stay afloat. It's disingenuous to blame the closings on re-admission penalties.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:31 am to
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Its a bit more complicated than this TUba.



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Funny how financial incentives often have a way of simplifying complicated things.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 10:32 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 11/13/14 at 10:34 am to
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No it's retarded when y'all treat medical care like an oil change.


So in your opinion hospitals should have zero incentive to want to keep their patients healthy enough to not require readmission?
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