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Question re: Alabama's dead ball penalty in OT
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 1:59 pm
Why did Bama's personal foul penalty in OT end up with a 1st and 10 as opposed to a 1st and goal? I thought the result of the play was a 1st down, then the penalty.
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:00 pm to Hootie
Read the rule book or any of the million other threads about this.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:01 pm to LNCHBOX
Thanks for the extra effort in being an arse.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:02 pm to LNCHBOX
rule says when line is established. The line was established when they blew it dead at the one or so for first and goal. The rest is horsepucky.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:02 pm to Hootie
There is a thread made 5 minutes before yours that is still at the top of the page. Sorry you can't read.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:03 pm to Hootie
Because the line to gain is not established until the ready for play signal is given. It was still first and ten.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:06 pm to Hootie
LSU's penalty took place just after LSU had run a first down play, so it was assessed fifteen yards where it was second and goal from the sixteen. Alabama's penalty was assessed just after the achievement of a first down (not after a first down play like LSU, a play that achieved first down)and the rule states that if it is a first down, the penalty is assessed but normal down and distance is the same as any other first down play, first down and ten yards to go. I don't understand why there is a difference, but that is the rule.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:07 pm to tonydtiger
well then on second down lsu penalty was good and taken from original line on 1st down right? the bama penalty should have been from the original line not the spot of the foul.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:08 pm to LNCHBOX
Hey LNCHBOX
Is this the vague topic to which you are referring?
"Has the first and 16 instead of first and goal from" 16?
You're correct-- I cannot read gibberish.
Is this the vague topic to which you are referring?
"Has the first and 16 instead of first and goal from" 16?
You're correct-- I cannot read gibberish.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:08 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
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Because the line to gain is not established until the ready for play signal is given
It holds no bearing on number of down.
To add. We ran of first down. We got penalized and it made it second down from where the chains had not yet moved. The down marker was not established until after the ball was whistled dead.
There are no chains inside the ten. Down marker yes.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:09 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
quote:
so it was assessed fifteen yards where it was second and goal from the sixteen
I do not think this is the spot LSU was given.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:11 pm to ErnestTBassmaster
quote:
I don't understand why there is a difference, but that is the rule.
Is the rule the same in the NFL?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:11 pm to themunch
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It holds no bearing on number of down.
Never said it did. However, it does have a bearing on whether the line to gain is ten yards or the goal line.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:12 pm to tonydtiger
So a dead ball foul is now assessed at the point of the foul?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:14 pm to tonydtiger
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However, it does have a bearing on whether the line to gain is ten yards or the goal line.
so a team is penalized yet rewarded with four downs to get another first down. Isee.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:25 pm to themunch
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so a team is penalized yet rewarded with four downs to get another first down. Isee.
It guess the best way to say it is when a new series is given, in this case Bama was going to get first and goal at the one, the line to gain is not established until the referee blows the whistle to signal ready for play. Therefore, technically, its still first and ten because the ready for play signal had not been given before the foul took place. Kinda confusing, but thats how the rule reads.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 2:39 pm to tonydtiger
quote:exactly. Now where was it first and ten from. If you are not using the new line then you must use the old line. You can not just arbitrarily use a non existent point of foul while giving a new first down.
its still first and ten because the ready for play signal had not been given before the foul took place.
The point being, you just gave them a 15 yard penalty correct? Now you turn around and give them a first and ten which in effect negates the 15 yard penalty.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:01 pm to themunch
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The point being, you just gave them a 15 yard penalty correct? Now you turn around and give them a first and ten which in effect negates the 15 yard penalty.
Does anyone else see this part or is it just me?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:06 pm to themunch
As I cc'd from the rule book on another thread, the example given is an early snap before ready for play. there should be an distinction for a personal foul, but there isn't. call was correct per the rule book from what I read
and yes, it rewards the offender with a chance to make a first down they would not have otherwise had
and yes, it rewards the offender with a chance to make a first down they would not have otherwise had
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:11 pm to Tiger-Striped-Bass
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