Islamic State vs. Hitler's early Nazi movement - how different are they?

The Nazis were democratically elected to important positions in the German government with some chicanery in the voting process. The people over whom the Nazis ruled didn't significantly object to their rise because a large majority of the German population was not subject to persecution from the government at the time.

ISIS is a state emerging out of rebel factions in Syria organizing and killing people systematically enough in a concentrated geographic area. Virtually everyone in ISIS's path hates them and fears them and wants them gone because ISIS egregiously abuses them.

The only comparison is in their brutality and in the fact that both needed or need to be stopped. They're not really similar besides.

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Virtually everyone in ISIS's path hates them and fears them and wants them gone because ISIS egregiously abuses them.

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If this is true, then why are westerners and Muslims from the region trying to join?

Didn't the nazis also prey on an oppressed, hopeless population to build their ranks? Wasn't Germany economically destroyed after WW1?

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If this is true, then why are westerners and Muslims from the region trying to join?

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A tiny, tiny percentage. Serial killers also get fan mail and women wanting to sleep with them too.

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Didn't the nazis also prey on an oppressed, hopeless population to build their ranks? Wasn't Germany economically destroyed after WW1?

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Most Germans had no idea Hitler was killing off the Jews. Hitler riled up the German people by playing off the broken economy after the WW1 debt they were forced to pay.

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Do the Muslims in this part of the world know what these Islamic extremists are really doing?

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I'd imagine the hundreds of Muslims that ISIS kills every day are acutely aware of what ISIS is really doing, yes.

Your takeaway from that documentary is exactly why I said in another thread that it's a bad piece. The people interviewed represent a small fraction of a minority of Muslims in the West. It's not representative of most Muslims on the matter and paints an unrealistic picture of the threat of homegrown terrorism. The comparisons to the Nazis don't follow at all aside from their notorious brutality.

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You are a dickhead on every board.

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You started a thread comparing ISIS to the Nazis. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

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I'm actually looking to learn something here.

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No you aren't.

Roger, you are so worthless to this site. I hope your little digs make you feel better about yourself.

Yeah, I'm looking for comparisons between today's ISIS and the early Nazi movement, from a serious factual basis. You responded as the prick you are. You are obviously not as smart as you think you are since I haven't seen a legitimate response yet.

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Thanks for the response.

If they get support from the separatist movements you mentioned, doesn't it get easier to gain broader support in Syria? If the people see ISIS as "winners" in Iraq, won't they bet on the winning horse in Syria?

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Well, they have gained broader support to an extent in Syria. They've had a fair amount of defectors from other groups joining their movement.

However, depending on your timeline, they came in relatively late to the Syria game. Remember that this all started because moderate and secular activists tried to oust Assad back in January 2011. ISIS didn't really become a force in Syria until summer or fall of 2012. They had to try to push out other, already established groups. They also had the taint of being associated with Iraq - remember that al Nusra (and broader al Qaeda) had a big problem with them coming into Syria in the first place. I am sure that a large part of the Syrian populace, even Sunnis, probably doesn't want a group of foreigners, even other Arabs, (and ISIS definitely is seen as that to some extent) dominating their affairs.

On the other hand, they've had an established presence in Iraq going back to 2006 and an informal presence going back to 2003. That's a decade's worth of building relationships, logistics networks, financing, recruiting, and on and on (some of which was through Syria in the first place - Assad let it go on from 2003 to 2011 because he wanted to frick us up, and it came back to bite him in the butt).

Somewhat counter-intuitively, the demographics of the two countries matter here as well. Syria is about 60% or so Arab Sunni. There is a range of Sunni activism in the country, and no one group can really dominate. On the other hand, Iraq is only about 20 - 25% Arab Sunni. They are the underdog, the politically disenfranchised, the aggrieved - similar to what you see with the Israelis and the Kurds. They have more of a bunker mentality, and they will band together if the situation calls for it.

Hitler wanted to murder people in secrecy.

ISIS wants the world to know they are going to murder everyone who doesn't convert.

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he Muslim influence is already strong in Europe so how big could it get?

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This is extremely overblown by some people.

I've lived in two european countries and its not as as bad as people try and make it out to be.

Are places like east london and parts of birmingham getting bad? Yes but its not this take over invasion some make it out to be.