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How Obama Lost America (very fair NYT op ed)
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:02 am
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:02 am
LINK
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But this harsh judgment probably isn’t explicitly ideological: The public isn’t necessarily turning neoconservative or pining for the days of Bush. Instead, it mostly reflects a results-based verdict on what seems like poor execution, in which the White House’s slow response to ISIS is of a piece with the Obamacare rollout and the V.A. scandal and various other second-term asleep-at-the-tiller moments. It’s a problem of leadership that reflects badly on liberalism but doesn’t necessarily vindicate conservatism.
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:07 am to Roaad
Political party or beliefs aside, Obama had been a pretty poor leader and executive.
I think the piece was fair, dislike of Obama may not be a sign of a conservative movement. But I think it does hurt liberals due to the fervor in which they supported him.
I think the piece was fair, dislike of Obama may not be a sign of a conservative movement. But I think it does hurt liberals due to the fervor in which they supported him.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:21 am to Roaad
People found out who he really was.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:29 am to Roaad
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It’s a problem of leadership that reflects badly on liberalism but doesn’t necessarily vindicate conservatism.
Depends on how you look at it. If you can't find the right leader for your cause then just maybe the cause is flawed.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:31 am to WalkingTurtles
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Obama had been a pretty poor leader and executive.
Well look at his past... What has he actually been responsible for? He has run nothing of substance prior to being President.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:36 am to Roaad
That's a dumb article. It's simply there to defend liberalism from Obama's obvious incompetence and prep for Hillary. It's neither fair nor balanced.
Read between the lines: "liberalism is still really great, Obama just sucks at it. Keep voting democrat until we get the right people in place and then everything will be great - vote democrat Tuesday"
Read between the lines: "liberalism is still really great, Obama just sucks at it. Keep voting democrat until we get the right people in place and then everything will be great - vote democrat Tuesday"
This post was edited on 11/2/14 at 7:39 am
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:40 am to Roaad
If you (not OP but in general) bothered to read either of Obama's books, he has governed exactly how he thinks.
And, look at his prior relationships and inner circle of confidants. He is ideology driven first and it's usually too late when he realizes a poor decision, if he acknowledges the mistake at all. He truly believes everything is someone else's fault. That's called narcissism.
He is an emotionally driven animal. Totally devoid of common sense. He most ardent supporters are of the same mentality or have figured out how to make millions off his ignorant decisions.
And, look at his prior relationships and inner circle of confidants. He is ideology driven first and it's usually too late when he realizes a poor decision, if he acknowledges the mistake at all. He truly believes everything is someone else's fault. That's called narcissism.
He is an emotionally driven animal. Totally devoid of common sense. He most ardent supporters are of the same mentality or have figured out how to make millions off his ignorant decisions.
This post was edited on 11/2/14 at 7:44 am
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:45 am to udtiger
Udtiger summed it up in one sentence. The media and Hollywood types (Oprah,etc) hyped up this phony like he was the Second Coming, and the left-wing, NEA educators had our children reciting worshipful poems to "honor" him. But as soon as Obama had to actually start leading and governing, the reality and magnitude of Obama's ineptitude began to shine through.
I'll always say that the 2012 election showed just how far we've fallen as a nation. After 4 years of this clown, it was shocking that this once-great country reelected this bumbling phony.
I'll always say that the 2012 election showed just how far we've fallen as a nation. After 4 years of this clown, it was shocking that this once-great country reelected this bumbling phony.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:53 am to KCT
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I'll always say that the 2012 election showed just how far we've fallen as a nation
That's me. For the first time in my entire 74 years of life I was absolutely ashamed of my country.
I was disgusted with the conservatives who stayed home because Romney was not 'conservative enough' for their tastes.
I believe that election was actually a final nail in the coffin for our once great nation. It set us on a lower arc that will never again intercept the greatness that we can be. My great grandchildren will never even know how America was supposed to be.
I loath what we are becoming.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 7:57 am to WalkingTurtles
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But I think it does hurt liberals due to the fervor in which they supported him.
Not any more than it hurts conservatives in the way that they've attacked him
Obama has definitely brought out the worst in conservatives.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:01 am to theunknownknight
quote:It's obvious that the NYT thinks Obama's problem is good plans with poor execution. When Bush was President they criticized him for poor plans with good execution.
Read between the lines: "liberalism is still really great, Obama just sucks at it. Keep voting democrat until we get the right people in place and then everything will be great - vote democrat Tuesday"
What I can't understand is how the Democrats couldn't interfere with Bush's execution of bad plans, but the Republicans can stifle Obama's execution of good plans. Wouldn't you think the electorate of the United States would hold politicians accountable if they agreed with the NYT?
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:03 am to Powerman
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Obama has definitely brought out the worst in conservatives.
That happens when you throw gas on a fire.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:12 am to KCT
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He gets blamed for Republican intransigence.
Disagree--Congress gets the blame for gridlock/fighting. Always has, always will.
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It’s the economy — yes, still
Agree 100%. Middle class incomes are down, and the falling unemployment rate is caused by the shrinking labor force, not a return of good jobs. The President always gets the blame for that, fair or not.
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It’s Obamacare — yes, still
Yep. Millions of people are taking it on the chin, and they are 100% correct in directing their anger at the Democrats.
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It’s foreign policy — and competence
Only a small portion of it. He's bungled some foreign policy issues, but there isn't any foreign policy issue right now that affects our day to day lives and those issues usually aren't in the headlines. So most people think he's doing a poor job there but it's not on their radar screen. Jobs and access to healthcare are his real problems.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:12 am to Roaad
obama lost America because he never had the ability to lead the nation. It was simply never there from the beginning. He was a non existent Illinois legislator. He accomplished nothing in the U.S. senate. Yet, we were to believe this man of zero accomplishment was the right man to lead the country.
What a foolish collection of people Americans have become.
What a foolish collection of people Americans have become.
This post was edited on 11/2/14 at 8:13 am
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:15 am to Homesick Tiger
I'm absolutely certain that Powerman was upset with the way liberals trashed Bush.....NOT.
imo, conservatives as a whole haven't sunk to anywhere near the level that liberals descended to in exercising their hate fest towards Bush, Palin, etc.
As far as the legitimate criticism of Obama is concerned? Well, Powerman, sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it?
imo, conservatives as a whole haven't sunk to anywhere near the level that liberals descended to in exercising their hate fest towards Bush, Palin, etc.
As far as the legitimate criticism of Obama is concerned? Well, Powerman, sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it?
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:16 am to Roaad
It's pretty simple. An unserious voting populace fell for a parlor trick.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:17 am to Lsut81
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Well look at his past... What has he actually been responsible for? He has run nothing of substance prior to being President.
He had run nothing period. He was a successful campaigner, that's it (ie a salesman). He literally had never had to make payroll once in his life and the American public elected him to the highest office in the land, twice Very scary to say the least.
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:18 am to Powerman
wow..Mary Landrieu that you?
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:19 am to Roaad
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Roaad
quote:dr
very fair
Posted on 11/2/14 at 8:24 am to Powerman
quote:Obama has brought out the worst in liberals as well. Mission accomplished?
Obama has definitely brought out the worst in conservatives.
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