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re: POST-BIRTH ABORTIONS
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:03 pm to KeyserSoze999
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:03 pm to KeyserSoze999
Probably supported in much smaller measure than the crazies who would outlaw all contraception.
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:09 pm to genro
quote:I'm not asking you to. I'm giving you information.
It's a beautiful theory. I can't accept it on faith.
To compare moralities is to compare them to some measuring stick of some kind. If it's only your measuring stick, you may as well not tell anyone about it. If it's a measuring stick we should care about, it's because we all have the same measuring stick in our minds.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:11 pm to FT
I'm glad you can spot the inherent problems with my suggestions. If you can sanction taking one life involuntarily, then it lends justification for taking any other lives involuntarily. Granted there are occasions in which I think involuntary killing is justified, war and capital punishment for example, but I never expected anyone to think I would approve of allowing anyone to be killed involuntarily for someone's personal convenience. I'm not even comfortable with the idea of allowing people to kill others who volunteer to be killed as was done by Jack Kervorkian.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:11 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:We aren't even discussing that anymore, you insufferable idiot.
SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:12 pm to Poodlebrain
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Poodlebrain
I assumed that was hyperbole.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:13 pm to FT
quote:This is really it. And we can be swayed by rational argument and impassioned pleas. Where will the arguments take us? Who will we listen to? In the case of the value of human life, some arguments want to take us to the ancient pagan days? Do we (subjectively) want that or not?
it's because we all have the same measuring stick in our minds.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:14 pm to FT
A lot of my postings on here devolve (pun intended) into philosophical discussion. I enjoy it, FT.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:15 pm to genro
quote:You're one of a handful of posters that I drop my trolling act for.
A lot of my postings on here devolve (pun intended) into philosophical discussion. I enjoy it, FT.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:21 pm to genro
quote:The human conscience. It's the voice of the measuring stick.
Who will we listen to?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:23 pm to FT
quote:Damn it, it's the same argument. The human conscience doesn't exist! It's all relative! Back to page 5! Round and around we go...
The human conscience.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:36 pm to genro
It does, and to amazingly broad extent.
Religions and traditions having little or nothing to do with one another seem to say many of the same things.
Religions and traditions having little or nothing to do with one another seem to say many of the same things.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:39 pm to genro
quote:
This is really it. And we can be swayed by rational argument and impassioned pleas. Where will the arguments take us? Who will we listen to? In the case of the value of human life, some arguments want to take us to the ancient pagan days? Do we (subjectively) want that or not?
Often times I'd want my own behavior to be the standard. I'd never be wrong and could look down on others quite easily. But the truth is I'm not the measuring stick, nor should I be. I'd suck at it. The measuring stick must be Truth incarnate, where the subjective and objective meet together perfectly. Which has brought me to faith in Jesus Christ. That's where the argument has taken me.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:42 pm to LordoftheManor
It's quite an enormous leap to go from an innate sense of morality to Jesus Christ as the arbiter and creator of that sense of morality. It'd be best not to mention him in this discussion, as A) the discussion does best without him and B) the discussion will be whacked if you keep talking about it.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:45 pm to bamarep
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WTF has happened to the moral attitude of our youth???
These wacky young Millenials like their freedoms.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:46 pm to FT
quote:
It's quite an enormous leap to go from an innate sense of morality to Jesus Christ as the arbiter and creator of that sense of morality. It'd be best not to mention him in this discussion, as A) the discussion does best without him and B) the discussion will be whacked if you keep talking about it.
I don't disagree with that. I was merely giving my response to the question "Where do the arguments end?" You certainly don't have to believe in Christ to believe in a kind of objective, innate morality. I guess I've taken a similar road to CS Lewis.
In terms of whacked discussion, it seems a bit hypocritical that an objectivistic worldview can be given but a Christian one not.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:48 pm to FT
From a historical perspective, Jesus had a ton to do with our concept of morality. But he certainly wasn't the first or the last and today probably not the most influential even among a lot of self-professed Christians. So yeah, over time we learned forgiveness and tolerance due in large part to Jesus's influence. But "render unto Caesar," "turn the other cheek" etc don't fit into modern American conservatism. The earliest Christians were pure communists and if you read Jesus's word, it seems like that's what he wants.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:54 pm to genro
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The earliest Christians were pure communists and if you read Jesus's word, it seems like that's what he wants.
People were giving to each other in the Acts 2 church out of love and self-sacrifice. They were giving freely to each other without regulation. This is very different from the compulsory system inherent to communism. They were living communally, but that is a far cry from saying they were communistic.
Their motivation for giving was just as important as the giving itself.
“If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing” (1 Corinthians 13:3)
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:56 pm to genro
quote:I have an amazing article to send you on this, but posting it here would get me doxxed with the quickness.
But "render unto Caesar," "turn the other cheek" etc don't fit into modern American conservatism.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 4:56 pm to LordoftheManor
quote:That's socialism. In my view, pure communism is totally impossible. That's why they're gone.
This is very different from the compulsory system inherent to communism
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