If you're too young to remember the Unibomber...

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i forget the anarchist term these people get, but yeah...they are also typically the people who turn protests into riots in the NW

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One term was 'Eco-Warriors.'

I am not on board with the climate change dorks, but I am definitely in the Malthusian camp on peak oil/finite fossil energy source stuff and think the infinite growth paradigm is going to die within 50 years. So, IMO, talking about this is mature, but you tend to get labeled some nazi depopulation agenda guy when you do.

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A former professor at the University of Arizona

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no damn wonder the youth of this generation is so fricked up.

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Have you read Toffler's '3rd Wave'?

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No, sir.

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but I am definitely in the Malthusian camp on peak oil/finite fossil energy source stuff and think the infinite growth paradigm is going to die within 50 years.

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Do you even fusion bro?

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Have you read Toffler's '3rd Wave'? No, sir.

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Short story. Civilization does not advance at a consistent curve. It takes JUMPS or waves.

1st wave... primitive man who hunts and gathers discovers agriculture. This creates towns since they aren't constantly moving.

2nd wave... industrialization. Divisions of labor increase efficiency and allow social mobility between the classes. Consumerism becomes important.

3rd wave ... Technology. Innovation and information become prominent.

Toffler says that when each wave hits there are people who reject the new and want to retain the old.

So, in the late 19th century when the movement from agriculture to industrialization begins you have grandma saying "I don't need no new fangled machine to get around. My old mule Betsy did just fine."

Today, we have older people who are rejecting technology. They don't have computers and don't want them.

Well, there is a very much smaller segment that not only resists moving from the last wave to the next. They want to go all the way back to primitive (hunter gatherer).

There are also some who merely want to go all the way back to agrarian. Think hippies.

Here is another version for you Zach

A History Lesson
Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as girliemen.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals just to piss them off.

Excellent points. But another item to remember about the Great Plains is that the Indians didn't cultivate the soil. So, today, America has waaay more topsoil than more ancient nations that tilled it for 1,000s of years.

I recall horrific predictions in the 70s about food supplies running out. Some scientists were convinced that we would have to grow plants in the oceans...ie, we must eat sea weed because we won't have enough crops growing on land.