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re: Pope Francis endorses evolution and big bang
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:46 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:46 pm to imjustafatkid
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God created all. Evolution & the Big Bang might have been the methods He used. If so, it changes nothing about God or the fact He created the world and everything in it.
Where did God come from? If you buy the Big Bang, then you buy into modern physics, and the law of conservation.
And why did he/she decide to create the universe 13 billion years ago? And did he create the entire universe to create mankind on a tiny planet, and not do anything else with the rest of the universe (life wise)?
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Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:46 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:How so?
Don't use this term. It's incorrect.
quote:Talk to any professing Christian outside of "Reformed" (or Calvinistic) circles and they probably won't know what you're talking about without looking it up, but I get your point.
Which is why there's only one form of sola scriptura Protestantism, right?
I'm not talking about variance of interpretation from a static source like the Bible, though, which I believe is what you are referring to with the various denominations within Protestantism. I'm actually talking about creating new doctrine that has no textual basis in the Bible.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:48 pm to BayouBlitz
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Where did God come from? If you buy the Big Bang, then you buy into modern physics, and the law of conservation.
And why did he/she decide to create the universe 13 billion years ago?
Good questions.
And did he create the entire universe to create mankind on a tiny planet, and not do anything else with the rest of the universe (life wise)?
I don't think many but the snakes handlers believe this.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:58 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:the idea is that the universe is god's construct...I think you underestimate how little we actually KNOW about the universe(s?), you're talking about religious beliefs, there is enough unknown about life to where it isn't deprived of imagination
Where did God come from? If you buy the Big Bang, then you buy into modern physics, and the law of conservation.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 12:59 pm to son of arlo
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Maybe it is new to some who reflexively believe religious/conservative groups are dullards who reject science
They want to believe this...because it makes them feel superior.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:00 pm to FooManChoo
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How so?
The term "Roman Catholic" was created by Anglicans in an attempt to show that Catholics were not supporters of the monarchy.
There are twenty three churches within the Catholic Church. The largest of these is the Latin church. I am not a Latin Catholic, but I am a Catholic.
I don't want this thread whacked (the Admins have a strict no religion policy), so I unfortunately won't be able to address the second part of your post (and probably shouldn't have added the second part of my earlier post).
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:01 pm to TN Bhoy
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You understand that Benedict said the exact same thing, right? He even wrote a book on it.
JPII said stuff similar.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:03 pm to Hawkeye95
evolution and the big bang are matters of science, it is in error to say that either has a say on the existence or non existence of God.
Francis is pretty much saying that science seems to point to the big bang and evolution are real, but that doesn't disprove God or the Bible.
Francis is pretty much saying that science seems to point to the big bang and evolution are real, but that doesn't disprove God or the Bible.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:04 pm to catholictigerfan
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science seems to point to the big bang and evolution are real, but that doesn't disprove God or the Bible
not only does it not conflict, the official position of the catholic church is that the big bang is not theory, and is the work of god...they really love that "alpha" and "omega" thing
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:05 pm to BayouBlitz
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Where did God come from?
you don't understand how most thesist explain the nature of God. If you did you wouldn't ask this. God doesn't come from anywhere he simply is.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:06 pm to DelU249
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not only does it not conflict, the official position of the catholic church is that the big bang is not theory, and is the work of god...they really love that "alpha" and "omega" thing
no scientific theories are for science and they have no impact on the existence of God.
Theology and philosophy explore these questions.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly what I was thinking. I don't see anything in Francis's words that is incompatible with ID.
sounds like ID
this is just a case of perception of the messenger. benedict was a horrible conservative, while francis is an amazing liberal
if they say the same thing, people will hear different things based on how they perceive the reputation
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:09 pm to catholictigerfan
I'm just telling you that the catholic church 100% believes in the big bang theory as an act of god and one of the biggest reasons being that it establishes a beginning and end to time...I'm not speaking derisively about the church.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:12 pm to goatmilker
In my own personal perception of my place in the universe, I see Raquel Welsh as proof there is a God.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:13 pm to FooManChoo
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It would make sense. Roman Catholicism has changed a lot throughout the past 2,000 years due to its reliance on "tradition". Today's new edict is tomorrow's tradition, after all.
The Catholic Church has never changed its position on things it considers dogmatic. Everything it teaches on scripture in 2014 AD is what it taught concerning scripture in 100 AD.
Now as certain things like the Earth being round, the Earth not being the center of the Universe, the Big Bang Theory, and evolution have come about, the Church has consistently accepted these things as they became scientifically provable.
This post was edited on 10/28/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:13 pm to Hawkeye95
The idea the evolution and God have to be mutually exclusive and you have to believe in only one or the other is ignorant as hell
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:17 pm to FooManChoo
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I'm actually talking about creating new doctrine that has no textual basis in the Bible.
Such as?
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:18 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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The idea the evolution and God have to be mutually exclusive and you have to believe in only one or the other is ignorant as hell
my experience growing up catholic is that
adam and eve
noah
job
were treated as they should be...not literal fact, but stories that contain meaningful wisdom within...that's how it was treated in our church (and catholic school) the new testament, that's a different story.
anyway, I don't care about the catholic church and while they derserve criticism for many things, it is blown out of proportion and they become the focus and scapegoat...no religious entity is 100% awesome with zero blights on the record. I also think the catholic church does a lot of good things that are completely ignored.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:18 pm to catholictigerfan
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no scientific theories are for science and they have no impact on the existence of God.
Unless you have science as your god, you mean. Secular Humanists can get all over that concept. Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's what you believe, then good for you.
Posted on 10/28/14 at 1:18 pm to catholictigerfan
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God doesn't come from anywhere he simply is.
Does not jive with the Law of Conservation. Nothing just 'is'. Nothing is created or lost.
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