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re: A Featured RB
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:54 am to TigerBait1127
Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:54 am to TigerBait1127
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He's in a contract year and probably not resigning. Run him until he breaks
definitely not...andre Williams in NY looks like shite, rashad Jennings is 29 with knee problems
ingram in going to be running wild on what I expect to be a very good giants team next year
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 7:58 am to DelU249
Pitt
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:34 am to The Pain Train
Look at run heavy teams. History tells me he'll be fine if we run him 200+ times from now until the end of the season. This is the halfway mark in the season and Dallas gets their bye week, but Murray ran very well in game #8. I think you're worrying too much about tired RBs. These aren't the same 28+ y/o running backs that have years of tread on them. Murray and Ingram are young 24-25 year old running backs with minimal NFL wear and tear.
Marshawn Lynch:
301 carries
1257 yards
4.2 ypc
Playoffs:
65 carries
288 yards
4.43 ypc
At the age of 27 and 1452 carries in his career going into last season.
Marshawn Lynch:
301 carries
1257 yards
4.2 ypc
Playoffs:
65 carries
288 yards
4.43 ypc
At the age of 27 and 1452 carries in his career going into last season.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:35 am to htran90
we're a little over 24 hours away from finding out if Ingram is THE man.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:09 pm to DelU249
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TigerBait1127
We are 3-4. That kind of thinking would get a coach fired. You play to win the individual games.
Absolutely not if we are talking about Sean Payton here (and we are) since a RB by committee approach has always jived with his philosophy and worked well for him.
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htran90
I think you're worrying too much about tired RBs.
I'm not worrying at all. I'm just pointing out how it makes more sense to have a more rested top RB for a playoff run than a less rested one. Bye weeks matter. It's a huge reason (along with home field) why teams want one of the top 2 seeds for the conference playoffs so badly. That week's rest at that time is extremely important.
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Fox Mulder
we're a little over 24 hours away from finding out if Ingram is THE man.
Let's pump the brakes on that one. It would be tremendously awesome if he did well being that he will be the only real RB again and the team's success depends heavily on him, but the Carolina run defense isn't exactly a "you proved it" type challenge for a RB.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:11 pm to The Pain Train
i just watched ingram's highlights on the saints site, there's no argument
there's a run where he shakes and sheds a defender off the left guard, then cuts all the way to the right, does the same thing to another defender and then gets 10 more yards
watch it again, bad defense, but GB's secondary have been there surest tacklers and only strength on defense and ingram earned every yard
there's a run where he shakes and sheds a defender off the left guard, then cuts all the way to the right, does the same thing to another defender and then gets 10 more yards
watch it again, bad defense, but GB's secondary have been there surest tacklers and only strength on defense and ingram earned every yard
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:24 pm to The Pain Train
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Sean Payton here (and we are) since a RB by committee approach has always jived with his philosophy and worked well for him.
He's used a RBBC approach due to the different skill sets offered and a lack of a true feature back outside of Deuce for 1 season.
And it has not worked well for him IMO. Look how injured we are every single year at RB despite using RBBC. It may have cost us the 2010 championship. It works when you have a Reggie, Sproles, and a PT type back that offer receiving threats out of the backfield, not when you have the same exact style.
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I'm just pointing out how it makes more sense to have a more rested top RB for a playoff run than a less rested one. Bye weeks matter. It's a huge reason (along with home field) why teams want one of the top 2 seeds for the conference playoffs so badly. That week's rest at that time is extremely important.
Teams don't get that homefield advantage by saving their running backs for the playoffs.
Look at Lynch last year. Look at Lacy carrying the Packers to the playoffs.
I'd prefer to use the approach of letting him run, run, and run. If he needs to take a game off due to wear and tear, then let Robinson carry the load for that game.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:51 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
Fox Mulder
i just watched ingram's highlights on the saints site, there's no argument
there's a run where he shakes and sheds a defender off the left guard, then cuts all the way to the right, does the same thing to another defender and then gets 10 more yards
watch it again, bad defense, but GB's secondary have been there surest tacklers and only strength on defense and ingram earned every yard
Wasn't GB down a starter or two in their secondary? I believe Shields was out and maybe at least one other DB as well, or one unexpectedly decided to play coming off an injury.
I never denied that Ingram looked great. Brees and others looked great as well but I'm holding off on saying that those types of numbers are the new norms for them due to the circumstances of that particular game. If the offense produces like that every week, then I won't give a flip about arguing anything.
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He's used a RBBC approach due to the different skill sets offered and a lack of a true feature back outside of Deuce for 1 season.
And it has not worked well for him IMO. Look how injured we are every single year at RB despite using RBBC. It may have cost us the 2010 championship. It works when you have a Reggie, Sproles, and a PT type back that offer receiving threats out of the backfield, not when you have the same exact style.
Ingram has not shown (yet anyway) that he is clearly the best RB each and every week. He started off the ATL game with 11 yards on his first four carries before Khiry came in on the third possession and helped produce a TD drive. Ingram surely didn't look like the best RB in Detroit.
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Teams don't get that homefield advantage by saving their running backs for the playoffs.
Look at Lynch last year. Look at Lacy carrying the Packers to the playoffs.
I'd prefer to use the approach of letting him run, run, and run. If he needs to take a game off due to wear and tear, then let Robinson carry the load for that game.
Those are both bad examples. The run game has been Seattle's identity. Wilson, as great of a young QB as he has turned out to be, is a dual threat who isn't going to put up many 300+ yard passing games. In fact, he has had 3 games this year so far in which he didn't even top 200 yards. Green Bay had to lean heavily on Lacy because Rodgers got injured.
quote:
goatmilker
Carolina is 28th vs the rush total yards.
1st in yards allowed per carry.
I told ya.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 1:59 pm to The Pain Train
quote:
Ingram has not shown (yet anyway) that he is clearly the best RB each and every week
He's averaging 5.7 YPC this year, which leads the NFL.
He's averaging 5.7 YPC over the last 16 games. This isn't a fluke anymore. He produces with carries.
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He started off the ATL game with 11 yards on his first four carries
Statistically irrelevant sample size.
Murray's first 4 carries in each game
SF - 20 and a fumble Finished with 118 (5.4 ypc)
Tenn - 14 and a fumble Finished with 167 (5.8 ypc)
Rams - 18 Finished with 100 (4.2 ypc)
Saints - 10 Finished with 149 (6.2 ypc)
Texans - 11 Finished with 136 (4.4 ypc)
Seahawks - 11 Finished with 115 (4.0 ypc)
Giants - 27 Finished with 128 (4.6 ypc)
Redskins - 17 Finished with 141 (7.4 ypc)
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Ingram surely didn't look like the best RB in Detroit.
Yes, I'd agree that a RB coming back from injury might need an adjustment period.
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Green Bay had to lean heavily on Lacy because Rodgers got injured.
He averaged 19.4 carries per game when Aaron Rodgers played last year and 17.8 for the season...
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:17 pm to TigerBait1127
if mark ingram rushed for 100 plus yards from here on out and we won every game, they'd still hate him
it really is the bama/lsu thing. fricking unbelievable...you're wasting your time
it really is the bama/lsu thing. fricking unbelievable...you're wasting your time
Posted on 10/29/14 at 2:26 pm to TigerBait1127
BTW, it hasn't been mentioned, but where ingram really catches my attention is his acceleration...he just darts through those holes so quickly, then slows down at the second level (because he's not running a 40 yard dash)
he's no 4.3 burner, but he hits his top speed about as quickly as anyone
he's no 4.3 burner, but he hits his top speed about as quickly as anyone
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:16 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
TigerBait1127
He's averaging 5.7 YPC over the last 16 games. This isn't a fluke anymore. He produces with carries.
Khiry and Pierre produce as well. If you are forgetting, I said Ingram should be the lead dog but that Khiry and Pierre should get mixed in as well.
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Murray's first 4 carries in each game
Valid point but Ingram didn't finish better than Khiry in the Atlanta game, did he?
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He averaged 19.4 carries per game when Aaron Rodgers played last year and 17.8 for the season...
How many times has he topped 15 carries a game this year so far? Once. That's it. Lacy is currently averaging 13 carries per game right now and Lynch is averaging 16 per game. You want Payton to use Ingram like Lacy and Lynch are currently being used? There you go. 13-16 carries per game.
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Fox Mulder
if mark ingram rushed for 100 plus yards from here on out and we won every game, they'd still hate him
it really is the bama/lsu thing. fricking unbelievable...you're wasting your time
Don't be such a coward and dance around with words like "they." Step up and be specific. Are you including me in that "they" you just used? I'm an LSU fan but take a guess at how often I bother to read and post on the Tiger Rant, Recruiting Board or Gameday Board. Yeah, I'll do a Bama fark in a heartbeat but I'll do an LSU one just as quickly. Have something significant to back up your flimsy cop-out claim of "they just Bama haters." Again, that is if you are including me in your general "they."
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 5:32 pm to The Pain Train
quote:
How many times has he topped 15 carries a game this year so far? Once. That's it. Lacy is currently averaging 13 carries per game right now and Lynch is averaging 16 per game. You want Payton to use Ingram like Lacy and Lynch are currently being used? There you go. 13-16 carries per game.
When people say, "run him like lynch", they are referring to the Marshawn Lynch of 2011-2013, not this debacle where they aren't leaning on the run game.
Look at his career in seattle (outside of 2010).
2011: 19.0 carries/game
2012: 19.7 carries/game
2013: 18.8 carries/game
2014: 15.9 carries/game
That's almost 3 less carries a game than last year.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 8:42 pm to DelU249
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if mark ingram rushed for 100 plus yards from here on out and we won every game, they'd still hate him
it really is the bama/lsu thing. fricking unbelievable...you're wasting your time
It has nothing to do with Bama/LSU. It has more to do with Ingram consistently being fat and lazy for the first 3 years of his contract. He's playing lights out right now, and just like Reggie, one excellent season is enough to make fans happy. Reggie helped us get a superbowl.. Ingram? We haven't even been good the last two seasons (bounty gate, giving up WAY too much for an average at best RB). If we never draft Ingram, we almost definitely have a better record and a better team.
Two 100 yard games in Ingrams career. Eddie Lacy had like 5 100 yard games last season alone. Give me Eddie Lacy any day of the freaking week, he's insanely good. I'll take Julio Jones while we're picking up Bama players too.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:16 pm to bmy
He needs carries to get 100 how can people be so fricking stupid when its been pointed out multiple times he does great with the limited carries he gets.
Dude Barry fricking Sanders, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown wouldn't rush for 100 a game with 10 carries.
Had he ran the ball 1 more time against philly that was easily 100. A few more against the browns would have been also.
Haters just hate and its sad because I don't know any other way to break it down that hasn't been in this thread already.
Dude Barry fricking Sanders, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown wouldn't rush for 100 a game with 10 carries.
Had he ran the ball 1 more time against philly that was easily 100. A few more against the browns would have been also.
Haters just hate and its sad because I don't know any other way to break it down that hasn't been in this thread already.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:23 pm to bmy
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Two 100 yard games in Ingrams career. Eddie Lacy had like 5 100 yard games last season alone. Give me Eddie Lacy any day of the freaking week, he's insanely good. I'll take Julio Jones while we're picking up Bama players too.
Eddie Lacy also has a billion carries to Ingram's 10.
You guys want Lacy, but his YPC is worse than Ingram's
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