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re: This is why business owners/entrepreneurs do not like democrats very much
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:39 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:39 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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who exactly did she say creates jobs?
Jews, she said Jews create jobs because they've got all the money.
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Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:39 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Those jobs might be overseas at $1 / hour. Meanwhile the classes in the US will divide like never before.
You stop taxing production and watch it explode.
Can't have class warfare like that, but jobs won't be a problem any longer. We'll have to put barriers up to keep foreign capital out - it will be flooding in so quickly.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:41 pm to mmcgrath
If businesses don't create jobs, then neither does government, and libs insist that the government can create jobs.
You can;t believe one and not the other.
You can;t believe one and not the other.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I think the bottom line is that in general consumer logic, demand is the primary driver, and producers use products, manufacturing and / or labor to meet that demand. New demand is created through innovation.
If businesses don't create jobs, then neither does government, and libs insist that the government can create jobs.
You can;t believe one and not the other.
Some businesses can be innovators as well as producers. However to believe that everything starts with businesses alone is ignorant.
Government also serves to meet demands in the same way. It is very rarely innovative, but doesn't really has to be.
Not sure why you are buying into some sort of meme that "libs insist that the government can create jobs." Government has become a big driver in the labor market though, so that can't be ignored anymore than businesses.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 11:52 pm to Cruiserhog
quote:You've confused "creating jobs" and "creating wealth". Consumers don't typically create wealth. They buy imported tee-shirts from overseas. They use it and throw it away. That tee-shirt is never employed to make them (nor anyone else) more wealthy. It's just a non-performent object that ends up in a landfill.
a thriving middle class with money to spend on manufactured goods create jobs.
They call it Consumerism for a reason. It consumes wealth, rather than produces it.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 11:54 pm to Zed
quote:Replaceable with what, exactly?
producers are replaceable
Posted on 10/24/14 at 11:58 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Indeed. Most people are hired to do absolutely nothing.
Businesses don't create jobs.
Matter of fact, I think I will hire someone next week. Just because. I'll pay them $80k a year. To do absolutely nothing. I mean this is how most people get jobs, right?
Posted on 10/25/14 at 12:02 am to Taxing Authority
quote:Goods and services are consumed, not wealth. Unless you know someone selling $100 bills for 5 bucks... in that case post it here quick!
They call it Consumerism for a reason. It consumes wealth, rather than produces it.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 12:33 am to mmcgrath
quote:Nope. Wealth and capital are clearly consumed by purchasing goods and services that do no lead to greater wealth. There is a reason consumer goods aren't considered to be assets. Buying a video game != buying a tool that can be used to increase one's productivity this income. One makes you poorer. The other makes you wealthier.
Goods and services are consumed, not wealth.
quote:I don't. However there are numerous examples of goods and services that can be purchased and be used to create wealth greater than their cost. Few are available in retail outlets however.
Unless you know someone selling $100 bills for 5 bucks.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 12:51 am to Taxing Authority
quote:In your opinion, does K-Mart, Home Depot, or Walmart create jobs?
Few are available in retail outlets however.
Posted on 10/25/14 at 1:48 am to mmcgrath
quote:Jobs, yes. Wealth, no. You're confusing labor and wealth. They are not the same thing.
In your opinion, does K-Mart, Home Depot, or Walmart create jobs?
Not that it matters. WalMart has far more customers than employees. The better question... How many customers make a profit from the products they buy from W-M, K-M and HD?
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 2:04 am
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:24 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So resident liberals/progressives/democrats. Do you always think in such simple minded terms? Hillary and Obama have now stated the core belief of the left, that businesses and corporations do not create jobs.
The belief is that either the government or the consumer creates jobs. But neither can exist without businesses.
Business operate on a profit. In order to make a profit they must create and sell a product. And for that to happen, they must hire employees to run the day to day operations and create said product. In turn the consumer must have money. The only way consumers have money is by working jobs and earning money. Ergo, businesses create jobs that supplies the worker with money.
Then there is the idiot government argument. That only government creates jobs. Well, the jobs "created" by government are paid for by taxpayer money. Taxes come from individuals that earn money. Ergo, taxpayers employed by businesses earn money from the business and are then taxed by the government.
Now i'm sure an idiot will say, "government workers pay taxes too". Which is true. But the money being taxed by the government is supplied by private industry taxpayers. So a government worker being taxed by the government does not contribute a net positive. That government job is simply a place holder job and contributes nothing to the GDP of the country since all of that government employees pay is coming directly from taxpayers.
I'm sure the idiots on the left know this, but refuse to discuss anything deeper than the meme's fed to them by their government slave masters. But then again, liberalism is a mental disease.
The belief is that either the government or the consumer creates jobs. But neither can exist without businesses.
Business operate on a profit. In order to make a profit they must create and sell a product. And for that to happen, they must hire employees to run the day to day operations and create said product. In turn the consumer must have money. The only way consumers have money is by working jobs and earning money. Ergo, businesses create jobs that supplies the worker with money.
Then there is the idiot government argument. That only government creates jobs. Well, the jobs "created" by government are paid for by taxpayer money. Taxes come from individuals that earn money. Ergo, taxpayers employed by businesses earn money from the business and are then taxed by the government.
Now i'm sure an idiot will say, "government workers pay taxes too". Which is true. But the money being taxed by the government is supplied by private industry taxpayers. So a government worker being taxed by the government does not contribute a net positive. That government job is simply a place holder job and contributes nothing to the GDP of the country since all of that government employees pay is coming directly from taxpayers.
I'm sure the idiots on the left know this, but refuse to discuss anything deeper than the meme's fed to them by their government slave masters. But then again, liberalism is a mental disease.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Entrepreneurs don't like Democrats? Seems they lean democrat to me, especially when you leave the south and go where startups are the most prolific. (California)
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:29 pm to Asgard Device
Also, she is correct in a way. Wealth doesn't necessarily create jobs. Wealth gets to decide how resources, including human capital, are allocated.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:30 pm to Asgard Device
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Entrepreneurs don't like Democrats? Seems they lean democrat to me, especially when you leave the south and go where startups are the most prolific.
I don't think thats true anymore. Tech market there is still very good, but as far as other industries, that ship has sailed. The taxes imposed on them by that state has forced many companies to relocate to more business friendly states.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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consumption
I mean, I guess I can see how a rise in tuberculosis would be a boon to the medical industry, but that's really not the best model for economic growth...
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:36 pm to BugAC
While I would tend to agree with HRC on this assessment, demand is the ultimate driver for hiring - like everything else in economics, its a pretty complicated situation.
If I were to start a business and I had no one that wanted product/service, I would probably be SOL and not create any jobs. Only with demand could I succeed with that business. And for many things, that demand already exists.
But sometimes businesses can create demand for products or service. Apple has done a great job of this but there are a ton of other examples. For instance voodoo donuts. I never knew I need a donut covered in crushed up oreos and PB until I had one. Also true for burrito joints - did you know you needed chipolte until you had it? Likely you didn't.
So while HRC is right that demand creates jobs, its just not that simple. Sometimes ideas/businesses also create jobs.
If I were to start a business and I had no one that wanted product/service, I would probably be SOL and not create any jobs. Only with demand could I succeed with that business. And for many things, that demand already exists.
But sometimes businesses can create demand for products or service. Apple has done a great job of this but there are a ton of other examples. For instance voodoo donuts. I never knew I need a donut covered in crushed up oreos and PB until I had one. Also true for burrito joints - did you know you needed chipolte until you had it? Likely you didn't.
So while HRC is right that demand creates jobs, its just not that simple. Sometimes ideas/businesses also create jobs.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:39 pm to BugAC
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I don't think thats true anymore. Tech market there is still very good, but as far as other industries, that ship has sailed. The taxes imposed on them by that state has forced many companies to relocate to more business friendly states.
There is a shite ton of businesses in california. Tons of companies are HQd there. Its one of the largest economies in the world.
Businesses are expanding elsewhere and transferring jobs, but it has as much to do with the cost of labor as it does taxes/regulations. And the reason the labor costs so much is due to property prices b.c people want to live in california.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Consumption only happens when something to consume has been produced. Who decides what will be produced? It requires someone to anticipate consumption and risk their time and resources to produce what is available for consumption.
consumption
How many iPhones were consumed before the jobs to produce the iPhones were created? It was impossible for consumption to have created those jobs because it did not exist, but the jobs were created already by something other than consumption. So try another answer that has a possibility of being correct.
Posted on 10/27/14 at 1:58 pm to mmcgrath
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Government has become a big driver in the labor market though
Don't know about you but that is disturbing as hell to me seeing as to how the only way government can function is at the taxpayer's expense.
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