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Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:29 am to WeeWee
quote:You're confusing recent political trends with a permanent Constitution set-up. Wyoming's electoral votes count, and tilt the election. And there's no law that says Wyoming must vote red.
Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and now Virginia say hi
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:30 am to WeeWee
Yes. The people who support the EC are the people from small population states, which are given outsized power from it.
The EC means that most people's votes don't matter. It gives outsize importance to a few battleground states.
The EC means that most people's votes don't matter. It gives outsize importance to a few battleground states.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:30 am to Homesick Tiger
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It keeps four or five states from dictating their outlook of government on the whole country.
Considering the amount of electoral votes CA, TX, FL, and other large states get, how does this not already happen. Electoral votes are based on states population, hence the more people that live there, the more you get. I still don't see how an electoral college keeps some states from having more power than others. Every vote should count equally IMO.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:31 am to NC_Tigah
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Should the USA do away with states rights?
Long gone.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:31 am to TigernMS12
Because we round up, and there's a minimum.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:32 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Outsized? It's based on their population.
Yes. The people who support the EC are the people from small population states, which are given outsized power from it.
quote:It means that every STATE's votes matter.
The EC means that most people's votes don't matter. It gives outsize importance to a few battleground states.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:34 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:No shite.
Yes. The people who support the EC are the people from small population states, which are given outsized power from it.
That's why the Senate is the more powerful house.
People in dense populations centers dictating politics for the entire country is a bad idea. It's not hard to understand why. The Founders understood it.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:35 am to Tigah in the ATL
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Yes. The people who support the EC are the people from small population states, which are given outsized power from it.
Not really. States like La and Ms are going to vote red and everybody knows it. You notice that there is no major campaigning in Louisiana or Mississippi outside of the primaries. There is no turn Louisiana blue campaign or turn Vermont red campaign, which would be much easier than turning Tejas blue.
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The EC means that most people's votes don't matter. It gives outsize importance to a few battleground states.
True.
I think they should do away with the EC or atleast split the votes in every state to where half goes to the popular vote winner and half votes to the winner of that state.
My ideal would be to do away with the EC and have strict voter fraud laws. Also let the state legislators elect the Senate.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:38 am to WeeWee
No, but I would make one change.
I would get rid of the winner-take-all system and go to how Maine and Nebraska do it--winner of the House district gets the vote representing that district, winner of the overall state gets both votes representing the two Senators.
I would get rid of the winner-take-all system and go to how Maine and Nebraska do it--winner of the House district gets the vote representing that district, winner of the overall state gets both votes representing the two Senators.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:39 am to WeeWee
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Not really. States like La and Ms are going to vote red and everybody knows it.
That's the point of the EC - the people of those states choose the candidate they want their state to vote for.
People need to realize that in Presidential Elections, the STATES, not the people, vote for their candidate. The people in each state vote for who they want their state to use their electoral votes for.
EC is one of the last stands of states rights this country has, and why people want to get rid of it I don't know
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:39 am to Quidam65
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I would get rid of the winner-take-all system and go to how Maine and Nebraska do it--winner of the House district gets the vote representing that district, winner of the overall state gets both votes representing the two Senators.
I could go for that.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:42 am to WeeWee
I would like to see it amended to district specific votes as opposed to winner take all.
This still allows smaller states to have a voice and allows smaller counties in states like Virginia to not have their voice completely drowned out by the D.C. suburbs.
This still allows smaller states to have a voice and allows smaller counties in states like Virginia to not have their voice completely drowned out by the D.C. suburbs.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:42 am to WeeWee
frick no
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:42 am to goldennugget
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The people in each state vote for who they want their state to use their electoral votes for.
However, a delegate doesn't have to vote that way even if that is what the state electorate want. Doesn't happen often but there is the loophole in the process imo.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:59 am to Homesick Tiger
I'd like to study this more, but I would think every vote would count more without this electoral college system we use. Instead of just throwing away 40% of any given states votes with a winner take all electoral system. All the votes would still count if all the states divided the electoral up by percentage of popular vote won.
Seems more fair to have a state go
17 electoral votes - Candidate 1
13 electoral votes - Candidate 2
Instead of one getting all 30 electoral votes
Maybe my 1st assessment is wrong here
Seems more fair to have a state go
17 electoral votes - Candidate 1
13 electoral votes - Candidate 2
Instead of one getting all 30 electoral votes
Maybe my 1st assessment is wrong here
Posted on 10/23/14 at 12:53 pm to WeeWee
I've always wondered why the proponents of scrapping the electoral college don't have any beef with the makeup of the Senate. The fact that Montana and Rhode Island have Senate representation equal to New York and California has vastly greater consequence but no one seems to notice.
FWIW, I like the EC's slight tilt to smaller states. If anything, I would like to make that tilt bigger. I'm just intrigued by the silence on the bigger issue.
FWIW, I like the EC's slight tilt to smaller states. If anything, I would like to make that tilt bigger. I'm just intrigued by the silence on the bigger issue.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 12:58 pm to genro
quote:
Without the EC, New York, LA, and Chicago would decide every election
It's so much better now that we have Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania deciding every election.
quote:
Most states wouldn't have an iota of power.
That's what we have now. Candidates don't even campaign in the majority of the states.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:01 pm to Vegas Bengal
Campaign map morphed to reflect the money spent in each state.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:We don't. Those three states do not add up to a majority of EC votes.
It's so much better now that we have Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania deciding every election.
quote:That changes over time, according to battleground states.
That's what we have now. Candidates don't even campaign in the majority of the states.
Without the EC, it would never change. They would campaign in NYC forever, and never leave.
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