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re: Ferguson/Brown Protesters block Atlanta freeway during rush hour
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:07 am to Erin Go Bragh
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:07 am to Erin Go Bragh
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No, a thousand times no. When we start to capitulate out of fear its over.
I ask the question again
what is more important
to arrest as many people as possible?
to keep an unlawful protest in control, to limit affect of traffic, property damage, injury or death to people?
if arrests leads to more unrest than you shouldn't arrest.
The law enforcement is there more than just to enforce the law, law enforcement is also there to protect people and property.
another thing what would you charge these people with? Wouldn't those mostly be misdemeanors. Is it really worth it to risk a larger protest or even a riot just so we can arrest these people?
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:09 am to Grizzley
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Where's Tony Stewart when you need him?
UPVOTED THE shite OUT OF THIS!
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:10 am to catholictigerfan
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if arrests leads to more unrest than you shouldn't arrest.
That's just plain stupid. Sorry, but it is. By your reasoning any thug should be allowed to do as he pleases if he brings along an entourage willing to join in if he's arrested.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:10 am to catholictigerfan
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If a unlawful protest
No way the interstate protest was legal. No way the cops go let 30 people stand on a rush hour interstate just to let people make some kind of point.
More than likely the protesters did more harm than good to their "cause" when folks trying to get home found out the real reason for the tie-up.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:12 am to Homesick Tiger
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No way the interstate protest was legal. No way the cops go let 30 people stand on a rush hour interstate just to let people make some kind of point.
More than likely the protesters did more harm than good to their "cause" when folks trying to get home found out the real reason for the tie-up.
looked like more than 30 if you look at the pictures and videos.
They no doubt did more harm then good.
I'm just saying that I don't think we should assume the proper response by police is to arrest as many people as possible.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:19 am to Erin Go Bragh
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That's just plain stupid. Sorry, but it is. By your reasoning any thug should be allowed to do as he pleases if he brings along an entourage willing to join in if he's arrested.
1) if a thug is causing harm to property or life, he should be arrested.
2) someone walking and yelling on the interstate doesn't cause harm to property or life.
To my knowledge most of the time when non-violent, but illegal protests break out the standard response is not to arrest arrest arrest, rather control the situation and only arrest if it is necessary.
With the way social media is these days, most of the time cops arrest even for illegal protests their actions are seen as unjust, militaristic, etc.
I can think of many situations were pro-life advocates will use an arrest (even if it was called for) to push their agenda. Pro life protestors will show up to where they aren't allowed an protest, cops come and try to control it, they argue I have free speech you can't make me leave, they are arrested, and now they are seen as the heroes.
There is a norm in this culture to hate the police think everything they do is bad, even when they are doing their job and following the law to the T.
The main goal of the police is to protect people and property, not just to arrest every single person who breaks the law, or give every single person who breaks the law a ticket.
Most laws are there to protect social order and protect people. I think many times money has a large say in what laws are passed, but I think the general distrust of police in society, makes it more difficult to do their job.
I'm going to end on this.
The government and law enforcements main goal is to protect the well being of the society. Police should work to protect us, protect us from criminals, keep our streets safe so that less and less people get into harmful accidents, etc. etc.
The goal of the police in this case, is to keep the protest non-violent, and keep the protestors in control so that the city isn't shut down because they stop traffic.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:26 am to catholictigerfan
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1) if a thug is causing harm to property or life, he should be arrested. 2) someone walking and yelling on the interstate doesn't cause harm to property or life.
Are you 100% certain no one stopped in that traffic was headed towards an hospital for treatment or to give birth?
Do you think these protestors are not emboldened to push their protests a bit further after this experience?
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:28 am to Erin Go Bragh
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Are you 100% certain no one stopped in that traffic was headed towards an hospital for treatment or to give birth?
if you look at pictures once the police showed up traffic was moving.
If they stopped traffic, they stopped it at a time when it normally doesn't move. The protest showed up at rush hour, traffic usually is stand still at rush hour in a major city like Atlanta.
The picture in the OP is misleading, the other side is also stand still traffic. There is a few yards in front empty of traffic but I bet if you looked at the other side of that bridge traffic also was heavy.
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:31 am to catholictigerfan
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If they stopped traffic, they stopped it at a time when it normally doesn't move
You need to stop. You're making less and less of a case for non arrest with each post.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:35 am to Erin Go Bragh
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You need to stop. You're making less and less of a case for non arrest with each post.
no I'm not
but whatever I got more important stuff to do today.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:35 am to catholictigerfan
You defend the protesters under the guise that arresting them could have led to violence. Ever heard of road rage? Perhaps they were 30 seconds away from someone running them down like dogs. Would that have been better? What they did was illegal. They should have been arrested. If something more happened, or violence ensued, it is 100% on those ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW. They should have been loaded into a paddy wagon and forced to pay fines and bail to be released from jail until their court date.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 9:37 am to catholictigerfan
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but whatever I got more important stuff to do today.
Here's to hopeing no one blocks your ability to move about.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:37 am to Wally Sparks
UCLA students close the 405 near Sunset before epic USC/UCLA football battle in 1967:
Posted on 10/23/14 at 11:19 am to Tim
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I've yet to figure out how 6 or 7 people in the middle of the freeway can stop traffic
yea they had a little gay drum line marching up and down the shoulder and other idiots handing out leaflets.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:38 pm to Jagd Tiger
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yea they had a little gay drum line marching up and down the shoulder and other idiots handing out leaflets.
"frick da police!"
Posted on 10/23/14 at 2:33 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:
I ask the question again
what is more important
to arrest as many people as possible?
to keep an unlawful protest in control, to limit affect of traffic, property damage, injury or death to people?
if arrests leads to more unrest than you shouldn't arrest.
The law enforcement is there more than just to enforce the law, law enforcement is also there to protect people and property.
This is basically the some position the government took with the Cliven Bundy protestors despite the fact that he still hasn't paid what he owes to the government.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 2:37 pm to Wally Sparks
This is a great way to create animosity to your cause and irritate people from which you need support.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:04 pm to Wally Sparks
Black people should just accept arrests and shootings with grace and dignity like white people do.
Posted on 10/23/14 at 3:07 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Or avoid arrests and shootings all together by not stealing and by not reaching into a police cruiser to assault the officer.
It's really not that hard.
It's really not that hard.
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