re: If the new Ebola Czar doesn't hurry up, he's going to miss the outbreak

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Right here right now NC_Tigah: If one person was infected by Vinson does she become a person who made really bad decisions in your eyes? How about if she infects 5 people?

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You are kidding, right?
If she infects 5 people?
Seriously?
The only way she infects "5 people" is if they are Emory healthcare workers, or the admitting folks at THP.
Got it?

Unless she was with someone on her last day at home in Dallas when she actually became febrile, she never had an opportunity to infect anyone. That is according to what we understand of Ebola epidemiology. It is according to CDC proclamation.

¿comprende?

So let's summarize "right here, right now".

First regarding Vinson and her "really bad decisions", let's ponder mindset and motivation, shall we.
Put another way, let's get real:

(1) Amber Vinson just witnessed the horrors of an Ebola death first hand. Fortunately for her (as she heard from the CDC Director himself), Ebola is a very, most extremely, nearly impossibly hard disease to catch. She used all the universal precautions she'd use with fulminant AIDS. It's anxiety provoking stuff. One slip during an IV start or bloodraw could be a death sentence for her. She used all PPE as she was instructed. She had no slips with a needle. She was perfectly okay according to the experts.

(2) In ensuing days she would come into deliberate physical contact with people whom she cares about more than anyone else in the world: her family, her closest friends, and her fiance'.

(3) She got on a plane in 100% accordance with CDC policy a few days later, and traveled to Ohio. She was fully cleared for travel by your beloved CDC administrators. In the meantime Nina Pham became sick.

(4) Just prior to her return, and after notification of Pham's situation, Amber Vinson made the CDC aware she had a temp of 99.5°F. Once again, she was cleared to fly by your beloved government officials. After all, why wouldn't she be cleared? 99.5°F is nonfebrile by CDC definition. The only way someone with Ebola can be contagious at that tempoerature is if they are "so sick they can barely walk." (yet another profoundly stupid statement by Frieden incidentally)

(5) Amber Vinson got back to Dallas and went about her business that day, but the next day she felt bad and decided to report to the hospital.

(6) Vinson is a nurse. She is aware of general symptoms. She is aware of disease. She was fully aware of the horrors of Ebola. She was fully aware of the fact her colleague, a very careful nurse by reputation, had somehow contracted Ebola. She was fully aware that early Ebola treatment can mean the difference between life and death. Judging by her wedding plans, she has a lot to live for.


So that's the summary.
Yet you are somehow convinced Amber Vinson, with everything to live for, was out to commit Ebola terror on her family, friends, and fiance'. Then she was determined to delay going to the hospital so she could commit suicide by Ebola. It is ridiculous.

You are somehow convinced that an afebrile, asymptomatic person of the type you've been told for months could not spread the disease, now suddenly somehow has supposedly put hundreds of people at risk. Really? How does that work again mmcgrath? How exactly was Vinson supposed to have potentially passed Ebola to passengers on the aircraft?

Truth be told, based on everything we understand medically, she couldn't have passed Ebola on. She would not have been contagious at 99.5°F, a nonfebrile temp. Yet the CDC at Frieden's direction has contacted the passengers on BOTH the flights, and insinuated they might somehow be at risk for Ebola exposure. Why? The CDC also stood idly by while Frontier Airlines took the "Ebola" plane out of its fleet, even after 4 separate sanitization procedures. The CDC made no statements about those maneuvers being unnecessary. Why?

The CDC is downplaying real risks to healthcare workers when it shouldn't. It is scaring hell out of the public when it shouldn't. Judging by your post, the CDC has scared hell out of you too. How about if Vinson infects 5 people? Wow, just wow.

It is the exact discombobulated CDC behavior and approach I've been noting since we all first found out (with Duncan) that Ebola country traffic into the US was unfettered.

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Truth be told, based on everything we understand medically, she couldn't have passed Ebola on. She would not have been contagious at 99.5°F, a nonfebrile temp.

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I think 1 in 8 Ebola patients do not have a fever. That sounds crazy to me, as a layperson, even counter-intuitive that a hemorrhaghic fever does not always generate fever as a symptom, but there it is.

So...while I agree with the bulk of your post, NC, we're not out of the woods on this quite yet (and of course, potential infections fly in every single day the good Lord sends).

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Wall of words. But I couldn't find an answer to the question.

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Gosh. Seemed pretty straight-forward to me.

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does she become a person who made really bad decisions in your eyes? How about if she infects 5 people?

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The only way she infects "5 people" is if they are Emory healthcare workers, or the admitting folks at THP.

So no, if her caregivers happened to get infected I would not blame her. I am frankly surprised you'd even ask the question, much less ask it twice.

From what I am reading you to say, if she had sects with her boyfriend in Cleveland, no problem?

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All of the diehard Republicans on this site, which is most posters, that freaked out Ebola just frickED up! The liberal media made it an issue, republicans freaked out, it is NOT an issue, and not republicans are going to look retarded when Obama wis right all along 2 weeks before election

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You're surprised by the the panic over this by the right?

This is a party/constituency that thrives upon fear.


Homophobia, Xenophobia, Islamophohia ,etc......so I am not shocked to see that they are also Germophobes


They also tried to tie them together by using their unfounded germaphobia as an pretense to 'close down our borders'(with Mexico not Canada ).

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Or, I predict Obama will take credit for stopping the spread of Ebola in the U.S. and Obama will praise himself

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FIFY

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This is a party/constituency that thrives upon fear.

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"They want to put you back in chains"

"Republicans want dirtier air & water"

Oh wonderful! Plenty will get done

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All of the diehard Republicans on this site, which is most posters, that freaked out Ebola just frickED up! The liberal media made it an issue, republicans freaked out, it is NOT an issue, and not republicans are going to look retarded when Obama wis right all along 2 weeks before elections.

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I think you are confused.
The "hysteria" was not isolated by political party or ideology.

The problem was 1) disinformation from the govt and 2) lack of preparedness by the govt down to the local level.

What was Obama "right" about again? That it took "hysteria" to finally get Obama and company to do something about the threat is not something Obama should be praised for.