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re: St. George organizers submit petition with signatures

Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:54 am to
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It's not just the "ghetto", whatever that means to you. If you look at the list of EBRP high schools (non magnet), none of them would provide my child with a great education. All of them get D's and C's.


If your child wasn't blessed with a higher IQ, or if he couldn't get enrolled in a gifted or magnet program; you have few options.

Magnet School parents have a great situation, and if I were in their shoes I'd probably fight tooth and nail to keep the status quo that has worked so well for thousands of kids like theirs.

If I were king of the Parish, I might suggest a parish wide magnet program for any kid that qualifies academically, and then local districts for those who do not qualify or who elect not to participate. That might work, but I'm not king and right now that's not legal.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:54 am to
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Also, students whose neighborhood schools have been taken over by the RSD don't have to go to the RSD school--they can choose to stay in one of the EBRPSS schools. Unfortunately, this requires bussing (sometimes across town) to schools which have spots available.
That's a very good point that I always forget about.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 10:56 am to
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If you look at the list of EBRP high schools (non magnet), none of them would provide my child with a great education.
When do you plan on enrolling your one year old son in high school?
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 10:58 am
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:01 am to
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It's not just the "ghetto", whatever that means to you.


A poor section of a city inhabited primarily by people of the same race. POOR BLACK PEOPLE bruh. I'll show you if you want to take a drive. But if it makes you feel special to dance around things, dance as long as your heart desires.I'm tired of dancing.

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If you look at the list of EBRP high schools (non magnet), none of them would provide my child with a great education. All of them get D's and C's.


Fair enough. And once we abandon the EBRPSS they will get straight F's. And Maybe St. George gets a C+ here and there IF everything falls just right over time. And the only A grades (the magnet program) falls to a D .

And private school tuition goes up even more as demand increases. Not to mention even more flight to Ascension /Livingston.

Excuse the heck out of me for not wanting to raise my taxes for that.


Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:02 am to
There you go again. Switch "my child" with "most children".

Way to avoid the point, though. You win.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:06 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:05 am to
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if it makes you feel special to dance around things, dance as long as your heart desires.I'm tired of dancing.
My point was that it's not just the "ghetto". If that's your criteria, much of livingston is ghetto because of the poor white people.
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And once we abandon the EBRPSS they will get straight F's
Again, where am I suggesting this? I'm only pointing out the issue and that I wouldn't send my child there.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:07 am to
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You win.
You frickin' right I win....
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:09 am to
Police service is an obvious service that would be provided by the St. George city government. As such, the costs of operating the Sheriff's Department should decrease as it would no longer require the same level of patrolling inside St. George.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:11 am to
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I'd probably fight tooth and nail to keep the status quo


If I were King I would drop the freaking HAMMER. I'd clean house on administration, teachers and most importantly students. My delineation would not be GRADES and IQ, but classroom behavior. Bad kids NEED to be isolated. Not dumb kids. Warehouse the bad kids, IDGAF.

But don't punish the good kids because they live in a shithole and their parents lack the sense or resources to get them out. St. George will be the educational death knell for them. An unintentional negative consequence of your good intentions and desire to topple the status quo-More despair in North Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:15 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:17 am to
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but classroom behavior. Bad kids NEED to be isolated. Not dumb kids. Warehouse the bad kids,
It would take a king to implement that idea because the current school rating system penalizes a school for transferring and isolating an ill behaved student in the schools for misbehaving students.

I know it sounds hard to believe but that's the way it is. If a school principal wants to clean up his school from the miscreants by transferring them out to the detention schools, of which EBR has two by my last count, the principal's school rating takes a hit.

The current system is totally opposite of what you propose, and that comes from the state level, not the parish level.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36053 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:23 am to
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If I were King I would drop the freaking HAMMER. I'd clean house on administration, teachers and most importantly students. My delineation would not be GRADES and IQ, but classroom behavior. Bad kids NEED to be isolated. Not dumb kids. Warehouse the bad kids, IDGAF. But don't punish the good kids because they live in a shithole and their parents lack the sense or resources to get them out. St. George will be the educational death knell for them. An unintentional negative consequence of your good intentions and desire to topple the status quo-More despair in North Baton Rouge.


I totally agree, I'd do the same if I were king.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36053 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:24 am to
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It would take a king to implement that idea because the current school rating system penalizes a school for transferring and isolating an ill behaved student in the schools for misbehaving students. I know it sounds hard to believe but that's the way it is. If a school principal wants to clean up his school from the miscreants by transferring them out to the detention schools, of which EBR has two by my last count, the principal's school rating takes a hit. The current system is totally opposite of what you propose, and that comes from the state level, not the parish level


Sad but true.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:25 am to
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If I were king of the Parish, I might suggest a parish wide magnet program for any kid that qualifies academically, and then local districts for those who do not qualify or who elect not to participate. That might work, but I'm not king and right now that's not legal.


I appreciate and respect your views Brother. I know we disagree, but I understand your viewpoint on St. George. The internet is not the best forum for great discussions because it is difficult to cede points and easy to seize on a word or a phrase and misrepresent the authors intent.

I think we need total reform. Starting with the teachers Unions and making our way down to kindergarten students and everything in-between. A one-sized approach doesn't work. We need a multi-tiered approach that not only rewards, but PUNISHES. Give the ones who ruin things for the good kids a taste of reality. We shortchange our children when we coddle the perps-in-training. We need to put Edward James Olmos in charge.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:27 am to
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Police service is an obvious service that would be provided by the St. George city government.
It might be obvious to you but it's not obvious to the SG organizers.

They specifically say SG's only "policeman" will be the chief of police since that is a requirement for all municipalities to have a chief of police unless the city gets an exemption from that requirement of the Lawrason Act of the legislature which governs municipal requirements. The SG chief of police will only be responsible for coordinating security for SG with the EBR sheriff's office.

See the section of the SG budget under "Police"
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:27 am to
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It was from an article in the paper about the number of gifted and magnet students who live in what would become St George but who currently attend schools outside of their area, such as for Baton Rouge Magnet High School, McKinley Magnet and others.


Only, that is not what the article said at all. It is what you interpreted.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:32 am to
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Only, that is not what the article said at all. It is what you interpreted.

Really? Then I know you don't mind providing a link to the article that I misinterpreted. Thanks.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36053 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:34 am to
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I appreciate and respect your views Brother.


Thanks, but sometimes a I swerve. I have to remember to listen better.

And you and I agree on most everything.

Discipline is key in any school whether a child is above or below average.

Good luck with raising your crew. I finished raising mine, and I just see so many screwing up the kids and not using my tax dollars as it should be used.

Personally I'd love it if every corner of the parish had their own high school which included a curriculum suited for college prep, or kids looking to become electricians, etc. No busing, but everything right there in your big, big neighborhood.

If your neighborhood lacked what you needed because there were not enough kids to provide say advanced physics or calculus or whatever then you'd bus to another school of your choice that had it.

But whatever, it's useless without discipline at every level.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:37 am to
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I know it sounds hard to believe but that's the way it is. If a school principal wants to clean up his school from the miscreants by transferring them out to the detention schools, of which EBR has two by my last count, the principal's school rating takes a hit


By chance,I recently had a random discussion in the home of one of the administrators of these. The stories...

It's true, local reform can always be sabotaged by Federal over-reach. That is the MAIN problem here. St. George is still subject to every failed federal/state policy that EBRPSS is.

In with the new boss. Same as the old boss.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 11:40 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:44 am to
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Really? Then I know you don't mind providing a link to the article that I misinterpreted. Thanks.


Article you referenced

Post where your referenced it

All I gathered from the article is that there are 6200 students that will have to change schools. There is no breakdown of how many magnet students there are in that 6200.

I think it is a huge assumption that all 6200 attend only magnet schools. It is a stat that you have perverted in all of these threads.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 10/21/14 at 11:45 am to
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All of this is probably moot because the entire parish of EBR would get to vote on that change.



You also had this in that post. Is this still correct?
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