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re: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:42 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:42 pm to GumboPot
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Why does profit or non-profit tip the legal scales in one direction or another?
because when you open the doors to the public you no longer have the right to discriminate against who's funds you can accept regardless of some personal religious affiliation.
your business is not a temple, your religion does not enshrine the place you do business with the general public in some protective magic blanket of 'we can do whatever we please because Sky daddy says so in his fictional book'
if they want to discriminate, go non profit, tax exempt and become a church...then they can make any individual as uncomfortable as they want with God hates figs signs plastered on the walls.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:45 pm to TrueTiger
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They should force the Muslims to marry same sex.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:49 pm to TK421
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Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines
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Why does profit or non-profit tip the legal scales in one direction or another?
Exactly. The NYT is a for-profit newspaper, do they forfeit their freedom of press?
is freedom of the press used to legalize discrimination....
the extinction of discrimination in all forms throughout the general public is more important that the wholly personal religious rights of individuals wishing to discriminate
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:55 pm to Cruiserhog
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is freedom of the press used to legalize discrimination....
A Christian chapel that caters to Christian weddings is not, by any reasonable definition, discrimination.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:03 pm to TK421
What difference does it make if its Christian or Jewish or Muslim if its a business....how does the owners personal religious views dictate who's money is good enough to accept in the public square during the course of business.
So its impossible to be gay and be Christian...who decides that, you, these owners, since all 'Christians' are cherry pickers of some or all of their religious institutions.
When does a court say, nope cant kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath but by God you can hate them gay boys.
Think about how stupid and hypocritical it is.
So its impossible to be gay and be Christian...who decides that, you, these owners, since all 'Christians' are cherry pickers of some or all of their religious institutions.
When does a court say, nope cant kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath but by God you can hate them gay boys.
Think about how stupid and hypocritical it is.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:17 pm to Cruiserhog
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how does the owners personal religious views dictate who's money is good enough to accept in the public square during the course of business.
It has nothing to do with money being "good" enough, that is an attempt on your part to wrongly paint the wishes of the owners as bigoted.
The owners should have the right to dictate the events that occur on their own property, including the type of wedding permitted.
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So its impossible to be gay and be Christian...who decides that, you, these owners, since all 'Christians' are cherry pickers of some or all of their religious institutions.
This has nothing to do with the argument and is instead an emotional appeal based on your own hatred of religion.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:29 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Land of the comparatively free
Fify
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:39 pm to GumboPot
There must be more to this story. Is the church taking tax dollars, or are they operating on publicly-owned land?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:46 pm to Asgard Device
Great point, why don't these same sex partners get married in a Muslim church and force the issue there? Nothing like a gay Muslim, except two gay Muslims.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:47 pm to Cruiserhog
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because when you open the doors to the public you no longer have the right to discriminate against who's funds you can accept regardless of some personal religious affiliation.
Still
There are many non-profit churches who accept new members and are "open to the public" but on the churches' terms.
Why would a for profit business have to accept the publics' terms?
It makes no sense.
You offer a service for straight marriages. Why should the public dictate the services of a business?
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:49 pm to Cruiserhog
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So its impossible to be gay and be Christian
Of course not.
But it is impossible to have a Christian same sex marriage. They just don't exist.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:53 pm to Asgard Device
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There must be more to this story. Is the church taking tax dollars, or are they operating on publicly-owned land?
I'm going to sell purple stained glass window on public land. What if someone wants gold stained glass windows? Will I have to accommodate them? Because I don't offer gold stained glass window service.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:54 pm to yattan
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Great point, why don't these same sex partners get married in a Muslim church and force the issue there? Nothing like a gay Muslim, except two gay Muslims.
That would be so awesome, but let's face it, also very dangerous.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 1:59 pm to Asgard Device
Go ahead any marry them, but first they get a 24-hr dose of Jehova's Witness. Also stick with the ceremonial "Love, honor, and obey."
Give them what they want, and give it to them hard.
Give them what they want, and give it to them hard.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:14 pm to TK421
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It has nothing to do with money being "good" enough, that is an attempt on your part to wrongly paint the wishes of the owners as bigoted.
seriously...the owners are telling the couple, 'no we wont take your money because you are gay and we are bigoted'...that is exactly what they are telling them.
you cannot discriminate at a business, its that simple.
Had the owners just politely refused service because 'they were booked' this couple could do nothing but since the owners said 'because you are homosexuals'...that is defined discrimination and its not legal under any pretext or under some form of self deluded righteous authorship.
My point about Cherry picking is...religious views are stupid. Why take one passage from the Old Testament and hold it above any other...the answer is because its suit them, the selective hypocrisy allows them to feel comfortable about their bigotry under the guise of religious convictions when its blatantly obvious they dont kill their kids for insolence or become unclean for wearing two different types of fabric next to one another.
Why is okay for the Christian majority to assume they can do that and not be held in some form of contempt and ridicule in light of such obvious hypocrisy.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:17 pm to GumboPot
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I'm going to sell purple stained glass window on public land. What if someone wants gold stained glass windows? Will I have to accommodate them? Because I don't offer gold stained glass window service.
such a tragically stupid comparison.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:19 pm to Cruiserhog
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seriously...the owners are telling the couple, 'no we wont take your money because you are gay and we are bigoted'...that is exactly what they are telling them.
I looked for that quote. I can't find it. Can you link please.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:19 pm to LSURussian
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There is no way that story is true. Toddy assured us for years that churches and ministers would not be forced to marry homosexuals.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:20 pm to GumboPot
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Still
There are many non-profit churches who accept new members and are "open to the public" but on the churches' terms.
Why would a for profit business have to accept the publics' terms?
It makes no sense.
You offer a service for straight marriages. Why should the public dictate the services of a business?
because its discriminatory to hold who these people are against them and if you are a private firm conducting public business, thats illegal.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
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I looked for that quote. I can't find it. Can you link please.
that is the jist of their stance...quit being obtuse
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