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re: Bad Calls in Pictures
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:17 am to crownNbull
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:17 am to crownNbull
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Was it the referee's fault that Brees was 3/14 in the 4th quarter? Had a span of 11 attempts where he had 10 incompletions and an int. Or was it their fault that the defense have up a 75 yard TD on 3rd and long?
I put the majority of the blame on the Saints for the game. We should have won regardless. That doesn't mean that the refs didn't impact the game.
Also, yes, I provided evidence that at least 1 of the 14 attempts in the 4th quarter should have been a penalty and given the Saints a 1st down inside the 20 yardline with a chance to make it a 3 score game. If you go by the call on the 4th down play that kept Detroit alive, at least 2 more should have been PI.
Your argument is fallacious. There can be several factors that impact the outcome of a game. That is like saying the offense deserves no blame b/c they put up enough points.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
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Please provide your evidence
I don't have to provide anything.
Lions won/dont care
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:24 am to LSU Piston
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I don't have to provide anything.
Well to be taken seriously, yes you do. I made a claim and backed it up with evidence.
You just made a claim and yell that it is true.
Also, the Mark Ingram "taunting" would get called like that 99/100 times
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Lions won/dont care
The Lions took advantage of the opportunity. The Saints have had favorable calls in games before. I think we def benefited in the 2009 NFC Championship Game. I'm able to admit that, and it doesn't cheapen the win. The refs are outside of the Lions control.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:27 am to TigerBait1127
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That doesn't mean there weren't big blown calls against the Saints
And in much more significant times. Saints were unlucky in the end, but I agree with TigerBait. They shouldn't have put themselves in a situation to potentially lose this game. They played much better against a much better team than their previous losses, except Dallas of course. Defense AND offense have to be better on 3rd downs (DET: 7-15 and NO: 3-12 on 3rd down). This stat line is overlooked in this game for some reason and is a MAJOR reason we weren't able to finish this game.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:30 am to TigerBait1127
The last PI on Reggie Bush was bullshite too...
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:31 am to LSU Piston
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I don't have to provide anything.
you've provided plenty of evidence that speaks to the fact that you are one huge bitch
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:31 am to Coppertone
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Coppertone
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I'm assuming your analysis of all the calls that went against Detroit is coming soon.
Don't worry, we'll wait.
First, I didn't evaluate every single call. I evaluated the ones that stood out as egregious.
It is one thing for an official to miss a common penalty that he didn't see: holding or even a PI.
It is another thing to call a penalty for something that didn't exist and usually takes an obvious or appalling foul to call like the following, or something that is so completely obvious that it shouldn't be missed:
1) The Colston Offensive PI where he literally initiates contact with ZERO Lions. If anything, it should have been a detriot penalty for illegal contact and tripping
2) The blindside hit penalty.
3) The Cadet "holding" --> He was tackled by the helmet, so take your pick at a variety of penalties that could be called on the intended receiver.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:32 am to touchdownjeebus
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The last PI on Reggie Bush was bullshite too...
I agree, but Raph Bush did have his arm touching Reggie, so at least I can see that one getting called there.
But if that is a penalty, than Cadet and Meachem both were interfered with on the final drive.
The Cadet one was almost identical to the Reggie one
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:42 am to TigerBait1127
What I would like to see is the running into the kicker again. It sure looked to me like graham got flipped over and we would have had a first and goal, plus run more clock off with a 13 point lead
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:44 am to LSU Piston
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Glover Quin's personal foul (for tackling someone really hard)
Take a pick of what penalty you want called.
Facemask
Already down before contact occured, lowers his shoulder into the head/neck region
Also, I'll raise you Cam Jordan's hit on Stafford that occurred on 3rd down and led to a TD?
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Mark Ingram taunting before getting thrown by Tahir Whitehead
obvious penalty on Detroit. You see something like that in every game. At worst, offsetting penalties.
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Ndamukong Suh getting held on literally half of Drew Brees's dropbacks.
please. Show me some egregious ones that aren't missed every single game
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:47 am to TigerBait1127
The Ingram/Whitehead penalty could easily have been offsetting penalties as Ingram did stand over him and also pushed back after Whitehead flipped him. I don't really know how he didn't get flagged. Only thing I can think of is that the flipped just looked worse than anything Ingram did. Maybe it was a smart move by Mark.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 10:54 am to fleaux
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It sure looked to me like graham got flipped over and we would have had a first and goal, plus run more clock off with a 13 point lead
Maybe. He slid into him and took him out while his leg was still up. Need to take another look at it, but I think it could fall under Running if his foot was on its way down
Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:33 am to TigerBait1127
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1) The Colston Offensive PI where he literally initiates contact with ZERO Lions. If anything, it should have been a detriot penalty for illegal contact and tripping
You know, it is possible they called it on the wrong player. Levy is arguably being either picked or blocked on that play.
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Also, I'll raise you Cam Jordan's hit on Stafford that occurred on 3rd down and led to a TD?
You're reaching. That roughing the passer gets called every time...took way too many steps before the hit.
The Ingram/Whitehead incident should have been offsetting penalties.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 10/20/14 at 11:56 am to LSU Piston
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Mark Ingram taunting before getting thrown by Tahir Whitehead
so talking shite is a penalty? then there would be a flag on literally every play. doesnt mean you can then get physical with a guy. i know you get the difference there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:04 pm to brgfather129
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You know, it is possible they called it on the wrong player.
Yes, I am aware
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Levy is arguably being either picked or blocked on that play.
No, he is not arguably being picked or blocked. No Saint WR initiates any contact on the video.
He comes up and grabs Watson? as he goes by. Could certainly be holding though
We were called for a Lion tripping over a Lion. It was not a reasonable or good call, end of story.
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You're reaching. That roughing the passer gets called every time...took way too many steps before the hit.
Uh, that was the point. I was comparing it to a similar play that was clearly a penalty. Stills facemask not only was twisted, the player went for his head after he was already down.
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:36 pm to BlacknGold
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so talking shite is a penalty? then there would be a flag on literally every play. doesnt mean you can then get physical with a guy. i know you get the difference there.
For better or worse, you aren't going to be able to stand over a player for that long without getting flagged...that is typically different than jawing back-and-forth, I know you get the difference there.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:48 pm to TigerBait1127
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No, he is not arguably being picked or blocked
You can make a fairly good case that was a pick play they got called on...which, of course, is a judgement call regardless. You seem to think you have it all figured out though.
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end of story.
24-23...that's really the end of the story.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:50 pm to brgfather129
I saw the exact same feet getting tangled call not get made in one of the big college football games on Saturday, can't remember which but might have been FSU.
Regardless, we should never have been in that position where the refs could screw us on the 4th down.
Regardless, we should never have been in that position where the refs could screw us on the 4th down.
Posted on 10/20/14 at 12:54 pm to brgfather129
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You can make a fairly good case that was a pick play they got called on...which, of course, is a judgement call regardless. You seem to think you have it all figured out though.
Have you watched the replay?
You could make the case that the play was designed to clear out that side of the field for a wheel with completely legal routes. You could make the case that Detroit held on that play.
There is absolutely no case for Offensive PI on that play. It was a blown call. Not 1 Saints skill position player initiated any contact on that play
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24-23...that's really the end of the story.
Good one, you really got me there
This post was edited on 10/20/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 10/20/14 at 4:05 pm to TigerBait1127
I am a passive Saints fan, at best and people can call me a tinfoil hatter all they want, but if you don't think that word has come down from NY to frick the Saints whenever possible, you are dreaming. Bountygate completely blew up in Goodell's face and there's no doubt that he's still pissed about it.
That's why Payton should have said "frick it" and completely blasted the officiating.
That's why Payton should have said "frick it" and completely blasted the officiating.
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