The protection of rights to life/liberty requires violation of property rights

So what's your point? If you want to enjoy the protections of being in a sovereign nation that isn't likely to be overrun every other month, then you have to pay taxes to fund a military. I wouldn't call it a violation of your property rights. I'd call it "not anarchy".

ETA: you keep calling tax money a property rights "violation". But is it really a violation when representatives (which the people elected) create a constitution, system of government and means to fund that government all at the behest of the majority of the people, use that authority to raise funds in a legal manner?

You can argue that we are overtaxed (I agree) or that we waste tax revenues (again, I agree), but I wouldn't call it a violation if it's done with the consent of the people.

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It seems to me that it is impossible for a government to coherently protect life and liberty, without violating property.

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This assumes all taxes are created equally. They're not. Taxes should be collected when you voluntarily spend your wealth, not taken by force when you earn it.

But the government DOES do that when it taxes people to pay for police and army

Property rights are only as meaningful as your ability to protect and enforce them. Put another way, your shite is only your shite if you can kill the other guys trying to take it.

I have no problem giving up some ("some" being the operative word) of my money to have institutions in place that are much better at protecting my property than I could ever hope to be.

Rights to the fruits of their labor - for efficient producers - requires only that those fruits are protected from looters either within (Socialist Democratic Government) or from without, being a foreign group or Government.

For an individual who can't produce and is worth little value in a Free Market Economy..."rights of life and liberty" to them...would be the right to vote money out of the pockets of them who can/do produce.

And that is where we are right now; and have been since Marx. *Debating* which of the two extreme ideological principles carries the pre-eminent moral authority...the right of the Individual vs. the right of the Collective. And just like Truth and Beauty...it's all in the eye of the beholder. Highly problematic to say the least.

Were "sunset" just that easy, TT. I just wonder what is the % breakdown re individuals who now are employed by Government in some way shape or form? Not to even mention subsidization also (SSI Disability, Healthcare, Food, Phone/Computer, all manner of aid, etc.) Gonna sunset them too? This place would come unglued; Income Inequality being the moral crusade of this era.

Read the book "Abundance", if you could use a lift. High Tech can make a lot of this stuff moot; but it can also present other problematic dilemmas.

On and up.