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re: Goal.com is going after Jurgen
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:26 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:26 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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You are out of your fricking mind if you did not think we should have a backup for every position.
We brought strikers. You can't bring like for like backups for every position.
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Wondo has previous for missing sitters in a US kit. See Panama.
Well that settles it, I guess.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:28 am
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:36 am to uway
I don't get the Landon fan boy thing. I think jurgen should have had him in Brazil. I mean, why not? Couldn't have hurt. That said, I've never been a huge Landon fan and I don't think he would have changed any results. I appreciate what he's done for the US, but I don't understand all the knighting for him at all.
LD always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I think he had a habit of taking the easy way out.
LD always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. I think he had a habit of taking the easy way out.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:46 am to uway
It's not that we needed a like for like back up for Jozy. We just didn't have the attacking talent behind/around him to change our tactics once Jozy went down. Dempsey up top by himself was never going to work. Dempsey and Donovan up top together? That might have some potential.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:52 am to thesoccerfanjax
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I don't understand all the knighting for him at all.
Because we like him. I understand how he could rub someone the wrong way, though
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I think he had a habit of taking the easy way out.
He certainly didn't respond to adversity in Europe like Howard or Bradley did
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:18 am to uway
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You can't bring like for like backups for every position.
Yes, but you do HAVE to if your entire strategy revolves around that type of player.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:30 am to uway
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If only it could be 2010 again with us barely going through the group of ease with your hero saving the day so y'all could move on after the tournament instead of constantly complaining about the coach for 5 months and counting.
Holy shite, am I in your head or what?
I didn't even mention Donovan. In fact, I never said one way or the other that I agree with it or not.
Nice try though, champ, I'm sure you'll get the best of me eventually.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:01 pm to uway
Uway, we already had a poacher like Wondo in Johannsson, and not only a poacher but someone who can take people on 1v1 and plays and performs well in a better league. Our whole strategy revolved around having a hold up striker, of which the only possible backup to Jozy was Boyd. When your ENTIRE strategy relies on a hold up striker, you should bring two in case the starter gets injured.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:32 pm to cwil177
Did you just agree with TN Boy?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:47 pm to cwil177
He should have brought Landon and Johnson, we had no player to assume Altidores spot after he was injured, Johnson could have.
I don't get, with all the money the World Cup brings in, why a month long tournament doesn't allow countries to reward all the players who contribute or more at least. Should be a 30 man roster.
I don't get, with all the money the World Cup brings in, why a month long tournament doesn't allow countries to reward all the players who contribute or more at least. Should be a 30 man roster.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:16 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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we had no player to assume Altidores spot after he was injured, Johnson could have.
Da frick? You're talking about the GAM Johnson, right?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:22 pm to cwil177
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Uway, we already had a poacher like Wondo in Johannsson, and not only a poacher but someone who can take people on 1v1 and plays and performs well in a better league. Our whole strategy revolved around having a hold up striker, of which the only possible backup to Jozy was Boyd. When your ENTIRE strategy relies on a hold up striker, you should bring two in case the starter gets injured.
I don't disagree, but that's making at least two assumptions:
1. That Boyd was good enough for that role at the World Cup. He hadn't shown that in any previous USMNT appearances.
2. That the upside of bringing Boyd over Wondo just in case Jozy went down outweighed the upside of being able to bring on Wondo in exactly the type of situation he was brought into in the Belgium game.
In the end, Jozy got hurt immediately and Wondo missed the chance he was on the team to bury, so it seems like a no-brainer.
Johannsen doesn't really come into it for me. It was a mistake to bring him because he was reportedly injured before the cut, IIRC.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:45 pm to uway
If Johannsson was injured then he shouldn't have made the 23.
Boyd was on really good form going into that camp. He was playing the hold up striker role really well in the Austrian bundesliga. I was really skeptical from the start with him being cut and all, seeing as he was the closest thing to an Altidore replacement we could muster. Maybe Boyd hadn't shown much in previous USMNT appearances, but neither had Green, Yedlin, Davis, etc. There is a lot that goes into formulating a team. Davis was taken for his set piece ability. Boyd should have been taken for his big-man hold up play.
I disagree with #2. Again, if your whole strategy revolves around holdup play, you need a backup holdup striker. Say Jozy gets fatigue and needs a replacement in the 80th minute? Or picks up a knock over a month long tournament? All very possible scenarios. It was very shortsighted of Klinsmann not to bring Boyd. I can get behind your argument in part, but only because Johannsson should have been dropped for Boyd, and not necessarily Wondo.
Lucky, I try to be a realist. While it hurts me at times to agree with TN (due to the absurdity of so many of his posts), when he's right he's right, and I can get over my pride and admit that.
PS - the SPL sucks chode
Boyd was on really good form going into that camp. He was playing the hold up striker role really well in the Austrian bundesliga. I was really skeptical from the start with him being cut and all, seeing as he was the closest thing to an Altidore replacement we could muster. Maybe Boyd hadn't shown much in previous USMNT appearances, but neither had Green, Yedlin, Davis, etc. There is a lot that goes into formulating a team. Davis was taken for his set piece ability. Boyd should have been taken for his big-man hold up play.
I disagree with #2. Again, if your whole strategy revolves around holdup play, you need a backup holdup striker. Say Jozy gets fatigue and needs a replacement in the 80th minute? Or picks up a knock over a month long tournament? All very possible scenarios. It was very shortsighted of Klinsmann not to bring Boyd. I can get behind your argument in part, but only because Johannsson should have been dropped for Boyd, and not necessarily Wondo.
Lucky, I try to be a realist. While it hurts me at times to agree with TN (due to the absurdity of so many of his posts), when he's right he's right, and I can get over my pride and admit that.
PS - the SPL sucks chode
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:47 pm to uway
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2. That the upside of bringing Boyd over Wondo just in case Jozy went down outweighed the upside of being able to bring on Wondo in exactly the type of situation he was brought into in the Belgium game.
There was no upside of bringing Wondo if we had a superior finisher at home. I wish Wondo did his job, but he was not the best choice for the job.
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Johannsen doesn't really come into it for me. It was a mistake to bring him because he was reportedly injured before the cut, IIRC.
I thought it was during the Ghana game. That would have been pretty bad to bring an injured Johannsson who missed like two months after the WC due to injury.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:33 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I am so glad they kept the Johannsen injury under wraps. The panic would have been unreal.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:33 pm to cwil177
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PS - the SPL sucks chode
Here here
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:39 pm to cwil177
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PS - the SPL sucks chode
Continuing to call it by the old name definitely makes you sound informed enough to judge its quality.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:57 pm to cwil177
I want to throw this point into the mix: maybe JK's Plan B in the event of a Jozy injury/substitution was the plan he later implemented, going 4-5-1 with Dempsey as the lone striker. Maybe he thought it was more effective than going with Boyd as a straight replacement. Although perhaps not as effective as our Plan A, it did, in all actuality, get us through the so-proclaimed "Group of Death", which is a result everyone would have accepted before the WC began (with, and especially without, Jozy).
I haven't had the opportunity to watch a lot of Austrian league games and can't comment on the strength of that league or Boyd's form prior to the WC. I know he was scoring goals for his club. But I can say that JK was in a position to judge Boyd's form at camp. In the end, he made the decisions necessary to get us through a group that percentage-odds said we would not get through.
I haven't had the opportunity to watch a lot of Austrian league games and can't comment on the strength of that league or Boyd's form prior to the WC. I know he was scoring goals for his club. But I can say that JK was in a position to judge Boyd's form at camp. In the end, he made the decisions necessary to get us through a group that percentage-odds said we would not get through.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:59 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
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maybe JK's Plan B in the event of a Jozy injury/substitution was the plan he later implemented, going 4-5-1 with Dempsey as the lone striker
If that's the case, then we have a whole other problem on our hands if our coach thought the second best option was to play a bunch of guys out of position.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:01 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
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maybe JK's Plan B in the event of a Jozy injury/substitution was the plan he later implemented, going 4-5-1 with Dempsey as the lone striker
Then we should sack him for being a fricking moron.
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I haven't had the opportunity to watch a lot of Austrian league games and can't comment on the strength of that league
Even more of a one club league than the SPFL.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 10/16/14 at 4:06 pm to TN Bhoy
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Then we should sack him for being a fricking moron.
Based on his results? The big goal prior to the WC was to get through the Group of Death. The plan he implemented did that. Were you and Broski unhappy with that result?
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