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re: Fixed Index Annuity – do any of you have experience with them? Update on page 2

Posted on 10/10/14 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/10/14 at 6:47 pm to
I don't think FIAs have many fees. Not like a VA anyway.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84614 posts
Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:56 am to
Yeah you usually want to avoid any FIAs with income riders and fees attached. The barebones products tend to be the best bang for your buck.

Bottom line is that fixed annuities have their place, as do FIAs. They are generally geared towards investors with similar risk tolerances. If you're entertaining an S&P 500 ETF and a FIA, you're doing something wrong.
Posted by Signature
Omnipresent
Member since Sep 2005
6738 posts
Posted on 10/12/14 at 5:19 am to
Make sure to avoid riders as stated. Many companies are pushing bells and whistles that will come with fees that will sandbag returns. FIA's are not the devil, but are really only appropriate for a percentage of your portfolio and only to specific individual.


I've rarely seen these instruments perform as expected by the client. The biggest winner in the transaction is the agent. A 10 year product can have up to an 8% commision on premium. There's still a place for these guys, just in the appropriate situation.
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2788 posts
Posted on 10/23/14 at 1:02 pm to
I’m finally getting around to updating my post about the Fixed Index Annuity I wrote about. Last Friday, I met with the Financial Strategist (title on his business card) that is representing this product.

Summary first. I decided not to invest in it for two major reasons both of which I knew somewhat about before the meeting. One, is the investment is tied up for 6 to 10 years. Two, there is a cap on the most you can make in years that the market is up. The percentage that was presented was 4% to 7%. However, the paperwork I was given to read states, “We may change caps and spreads at the beginning of each contract year.” In my mind I think - lower. Nothing explains how they arrive at the cap figure for each year.

If you want to check out all of the details you can go to their website at www.allianzlife.com. Click on annuities and then Fixed Income Annuities. The plan that was presented to me was the Allianz222 Annuity.

I was not familiar with Allianz. I found out they are one of the largest insurance companies in the world and based in Germany. They are over 100 years old. Two of the companies they own are Pimco and Fireman’s Fund.

Some nice features are your annuity can gain value based on which index you like: S&P 500, Nasdaq 100, Barclays US Dynamic Balance Index, Russell 2000 or a blend of 4 Indexes. You can also choose among three crediting methods: Monthly Sum, Annual Point to Point or Monthly Average. The advisor recommended the Monthly Sum but I didn’t try to calculate which one I would like.

There are too many other details to go into them all including 4 annuity values, bonuses, and how you can access your money. If you want to know about more of the details please go to their website.

This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35346 posts
Posted on 10/23/14 at 10:38 pm to
Why did you buy a FIA in your 30's?
This post was edited on 10/23/14 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Ole War Skule
North Shore
Member since Sep 2003
3409 posts
Posted on 10/24/14 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Why did you buy a FIA in your 30's?



Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8492 posts
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:50 am to
It was a combination of things, the main one being lack of research on my part- We were moving our funds out of Edward Jones because they dropped the ball on some of my wife's investments and a friend of mine sells them. Like I said, I like the idea of 'no/low risk', but I didn't and still don't want to put all my eggs in that basket. I likely won't add any more to them, but I thought it was a good way to limit my risk on a portion of our investments.
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