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A Note on Cam Cameron
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:24 pm
I am not claiming he is a great Offensive Coordinator or a great developer of QB talent. However, the man was a serviceable OC in the NFL, with around 8 years of experience scheming against the best minds in the business. To question his scheme or play calling is understandable, but remember, he has probably forgotten more about X's and O's than most of us will learn in our lifetime. He is worlds better than Crowton and Stud, and they were enough for a few pieces of hardware...
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 7:25 pm
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:28 pm to AnActualFan
My opinion on Cam goes back to the makeover he did with Mett. He turned him into a pretty damn good College QB and a likely good player in the NFL.
If he cant do that with AJ or BH then it is because they are not ready. Neither are his pup receivers. They all are full of physical talent at this point but they have not progressed yet to a superior level in CFB.
If he cant do that with AJ or BH then it is because they are not ready. Neither are his pup receivers. They all are full of physical talent at this point but they have not progressed yet to a superior level in CFB.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:55 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Posted by GetmorewithLes My opinion on Cam goes back to the makeover he did with Mett. He turned him into a pretty damn good College QB and a likely good player in the NFL. If he cant do that with AJ or BH then it is because they are not ready. Neither are his pup receivers. They all are full of physical talent at this point but they have not progressed yet to a superior level in CFB.
My only comment on this is that the differenc ein Mett and jennings/Harris is that Mett was a pro style I form QB. Jennings/Harris are spread QBs.
Unless Cam/Miles change to majority spread which they have recruited for then it may not be as great of a development.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:57 pm to TigerDat
it's a myth that high school spread QBs can't play in a pro style offense
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:58 pm to GetmorewithLes
My question is if neither one of these QB's are ready, why did they run their two more experienced QB's off? I understand that Rivers hasn't done well at Vanderbilt but what about Rettig? Was he terrible too? Something isn't making sense to me
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:01 pm to AnActualFan
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To question his scheme or play calling is understandable, but remember, he has probably forgotten more about X's and O's than most of us will learn in our lifetime. He is worlds better than Crowton and Stud, and they were enough for a few pieces of hardware...
Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
I see you're new here.
This is the Rant and stuff like this just won't fly.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:01 pm to AnActualFan
You do realize that Crowton, in a similar QB situation, in '08 always scored more than 7. Just sayin'.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:11 pm to AnActualFan
If you want to figure out the root of LSU's offensive problems you need look no further than their inability to score a TD vs. MSU with 4 cracks at it from the 2 yard line. It all starts on the OL.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 pm to AnActualFan
Our biggest problem is the OL. Even if you concede that we have a scheme problem, it would be an extremely distant 2nd. There is no scheme that will work with the way our OL has played.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:15 pm to AnActualFan
I agree with one thing you said... "He has forgotten more about X's and O's..." Either that or someone else is dictating the play calling when my 16 year old daughter who watches football about as much as rantards play with Barbies', can figure out every play before they happen and laugh... then there's a problem with the offensive scheme. Sometimes the stuff someone knows gets in the way of them seeing the truth of what is happening right in front of them...
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:18 pm to TigerDat
quote:Harris is as tall, quicker feet, higher quicker release, and almost if not as strong of an arm. Why is a 'spread' QB?
My only comment on this is that the differenc ein Mett and jennings/Harris is that Mett was a pro style I form QB. Jennings/Harris are spread QBs.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:20 pm to AnActualFan
It appears to me that the spread is taking over the NFL as well. In a couple of years, the spread will be known as "pro style."
Posted on 10/7/14 at 8:42 pm to AnActualFan
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Most of what we are seeing on the field is a product of being in the position of having to start players who are not ready (Harris and Jennings) and the OL missing a ton of assignments (difficulties learning the new zone blocking schemes), not because Cameron sucks.
Agreed. And the ultra conservative play-calling stems more from Les' mind than Cam's IMO. I think Cam could easily adapt to the spread if Les gives the go-ahead.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:12 pm to AnActualFan
No beef with Cam, do not believe he is responsible for the 70's style offense. He did do good work with Mett.
Would love to see Cam actually call the plays and not have Les change the plays to toss dive no gain.
Would love to see Cam actually call the plays and not have Les change the plays to toss dive no gain.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:19 pm to AlwysATgr
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You do realize that Crowton, in a similar QB situation, in '08 always scored more than 7. Just sayin'.
I do realize that, but me and you both know that you would take Cam Cameron as your OC over Gary "The Wizard" Crowton, if given the choice.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:22 pm to bencoleman
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My question is if neither one of these QB's are ready, why did they run their two more experienced QB's off? I understand that Rivers hasn't done well at Vanderbilt but what about Rettig? Was he terrible too? Something isn't making sense to me
Rettig was experienced?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:35 pm to AnActualFan
I honestly think Oline execution, not development or talent is our biggest problem on offense. IF they could get going then the run game would improve and the Young QBs would have more time in the pocket.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:47 pm to moneyg
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Rettig was experienced
I think he was meaning that Rettig was a pro-style QB, not an experienced QB. In other words, why did we let two pro-style QB's get away if we were going to keep trying to run the I-formation/pro-set offense.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:52 pm to PacWilly
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Our biggest problem is the OL
Which preseason prognosticators had us having one of the best.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:01 pm to AnActualFan
"If you want to figure out the root of LSU's offensive problems you need look no further than their inability to score a TD vs. MSU with 4 cracks at it from the 2 yard line. It all starts on the OL."
Very true; however, 10/11 men in the box and the defense knowing what's coming makes it very difficult to block your assignment. If Miles wants to do that then we need our best athlete in the backfield going mid air over the pile at the line of scrimmage. We may be able to push Sam Houston's or ULL's line back but that's ain't happening against another SEC school.
Formations and play calling are putting undue pressure on the O line.
Very true; however, 10/11 men in the box and the defense knowing what's coming makes it very difficult to block your assignment. If Miles wants to do that then we need our best athlete in the backfield going mid air over the pile at the line of scrimmage. We may be able to push Sam Houston's or ULL's line back but that's ain't happening against another SEC school.
Formations and play calling are putting undue pressure on the O line.
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