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Montana Libertarian candidate says don't transfer federal lands to the state

Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:24 pm
Interesting take, and one I agree with. As awful as the Feds are, I have even less faith in local ability and willingness to protect the enviroment. Sure, local input is necessary, and the Feds often don't do a good job of listening to local concerns. But I'm skeptical of letting State Senator Billy Bob have the final say in whether to relax air quality standards or open a wilderness area to mineral exploration.

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Public lands: There’s been talk about whether management of federal lands in Montana should be transferred to the state. Would you support the idea? Why or why not?

I think Glacier National Park ought to remain as it – a national park, not a state park. Same with the Bob Marshall, the Great Bear and other wilderness areas. Quality of the environment is crucial to the future of my district. That being said, I think the sate park and state forest system are pretty good, too. As for USFS and BLM, I’d support more local decision-making. In the case of those in my district, I think we ought to be able to encourage selective logging, fire management and water management over fire-fighting as forest management strategy, to create jobs. I think I’d vote “no” for the state to take over federal lands, because industry knows its cheaper and easier to corrupt Montana politicians than U.S. ones, and our land is our future.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:27 pm to
There should be no federal or state lands.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:31 pm to
From what I can read he is at odds with libertarian philosophy. He assumes that private property ownership = destruction. That's a statist position.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:31 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.


One can only imagine what Disney could come up with for Yellowstone
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:33 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.


well, that's just absurd. and i'm pretty libertarian-ish-esque leaning sometimes.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:34 pm to
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well, that's just absurd.

Why?
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:34 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.


The song does say that this land is your land;
This land is my land.

Didn't sing no state or fed land.

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:34 pm to
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From what I can read he is at odds with libertarian philosophy. He assumes that private property ownership = destruction. That's a statist position.


The day Libertarians stop being so inflexibly devoted to ideological purity is the day they actually start getting elected to office.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:36 pm to
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From what I can read he is at odds with libertarian philosophy. He assumes that private property ownership = destruction. That's a statist position.
Zach can't read, I'm shocked.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:36 pm to
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The song does say that this land is your land; This land is my land. Didn't sing no state or fed land.


Woody was not a fan of private property in general

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As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112480 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:39 pm to
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The day Libertarians stop being so inflexibly devoted to ideological purity is the day they actually start getting elected to office.


This is so humorous, Jim. I've been explaining libertarian philosophy on message boards since 1997. And you would not believe how many posters said "Zach, you're not a REAL libertarian because you don't believe in 'x' policy."

Now, I'm being blasted for being toooo libertarian. I just can't win.

Bottom line... If you sell Yellowstone Park to Donald Trump tomorrow he is not going to blow it up just for fun. He's going to preserve it. That's what happens in a free market.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Zach can't read, I'm shocked.


Iosh, the big boys are having a discussion. Why don't you go play with your toys?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98188 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:43 pm to
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Bottom line... If you sell Yellowstone Park to Donald Trump tomorrow he is not going to blow it up just for fun. He's going to preserve it. That's what happens in a free market.


He probably won't blow it up. OTOH, his vision of a wilderness experience will probably be significanly different than John Muir's. I'll bet it looks something like a rustic Vegas strip.
Posted by NHTIGER
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:46 pm to
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Montana Libertarian candidate says don't transfer federal lands to the state


Both the Republican candidate and the Democratic candidate for that seat are also on record as being opposed to transferring public lands to the state.

Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:46 pm to
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because industry knows its cheaper and easier to corrupt Montana politicians than U.S. ones, and our land is our future.


A Libertarian who thinks this is bad? Might get kicked out of the Party for that.
Posted by a want
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:47 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.

:facepalm:
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:53 pm to
An emoticon that didn't work is not a response to an assertion.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:32 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.


Great. We'll hand them all out as reparations to the blacks. Good idea!

Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:38 pm to
So we can screw the indians yet again?
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:43 pm to
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There should be no federal or state lands.


Both the constitution and the courts disagree with you.
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