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Is Mike Trout really the greatest player in baseball

Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:44 am
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:44 am
For some reason he gets a lot of hype and credit and is called the best player in the game, not saying he sucks but look at his numbers this year:

.287, 36 HR, 111 RBI

Meanwhile here are Morgan Ensberg's numbers from 2005:

.283, 36 HR, 101 RBI

The difference being Ensberg actually produced in the playoffs, but I don't remember people calling Ensberg the greatest player in baseball that year or the GOAT

You think to call a player a GOAT or best player in the game that they'd put up better numbers than what Trout did this year
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:46 am to
Trout steals a lot of bases (although not as many as he did the last few years), he plays a premium defensive position and he plays it maybe better than anyone, he gets on base, he has a great slugging %, and he's very likable and reportedly great in that clubhouse.

So yeah, he's really good.
Posted by Tayday
Lake Charles. LA
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:46 am to
Trout is like 23.
Posted by Kenny Wu
Member since Feb 2014
498 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:47 am to
You didn't post his WAR!

oh and
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:47 am to
Abreu should be MVP in AL this year
Posted by Steamy Ray
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:49 am to
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Morgan Ensberg


Was 29

quote:

Mike Trout


Just turned 23
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8847 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:51 am to
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2005


That is the difference right there. Different ball game then. Nowadays, what Trout is doing is the best in baseball, in 2005 it would be above average.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:51 am to
Ensburg played in the steroid era so he is overshadowed.

Trout is likely a top 5 player when you exclude pitchers.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 10:52 am
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:51 am to
I hate mike trout for no other reason than i hate his neck it looks funny
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:51 am to
That was painful to read.

Trout is AVERAGING those stats over 3 years before his prime while that was an outlier year smack in the middle of Ensberg's prime.

Trout also hits in a less batter friendly park, is probably the second best defensive CF in baseball, and provides value in stealing.

Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:53 am to
I would say Trout's numbers are better because they actually happened in 2014.

Trout hit 287/377/561 this year which for him, is a step back. But still pretty great, Check out his ordinal rankings in all MLB:

HR 4th
RBI 2nd
AVG 31st
OBP 14th
SLG 3rd
OPS+ 4th

Compare that to Ensberg's 2005 ranks and his 283/388/557 slash line

HR 13th
RBI 26th
AVG 68th
OBP 20th
SLG 15th
OPS+ 15th
Posted by Lester Earl
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278329 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:54 am to
Posted by vanburenboy
New York
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:54 am to
quote:

Abreu should be MVP in AL this year


I would put Cano and Cruz over Abreu.

Trout will and should win.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:55 am to
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is probably the second best defensive CF in baseball


I would say he's the best, who's better??
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71387 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:56 am to
For all his batting woes, Jackie Bradley Jr. is probably the best defensive CF in the game right now.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:00 am to
Total Fielding Runs is an imperfect defensive metric, but it's one of the best we got. Trout was worth 6 runs this year above an average CF, which ranked 20th in the Majors.

Trout is an amazing player, but his defense has been wildly overrated. He's very good defensively. He is not Torri Hunter in his prime.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60149 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:00 am to
This is a new low for you
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278329 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:02 am to
quote:

For all his batting woes, Jackie Bradley Jr. is probably the best defensive CF in the game right now.




you cant help it, can you
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158757 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:03 am to
he has to do his father peejay proud
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 11:06 am
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:05 am to
quote:

he plays a premium defensive position and he plays it maybe better than anyone


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