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My Opposition to RB by Committee

Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:07 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:07 am
You look at teams like the Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, and Bills; all teams with really good running back duos and then you look at our running back by committee approach and you see one thing that makes you wonder.

With two main running backs, you allow them to get in a rhythm much like a quarterback. RB's need to get the blood flowing and get a feel for the game. I mean hell, look at what Saban does at Alabama, or Malzahn does at AU or pretty much every team that has a real good rushing attack. They don't use 4-5 RB's a game usually. It's almost exclusively 2 RB's. Three at the most.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:12 am to
You mean when bama had Ingram, Richardson, and Lacey playing in the same season? Running by committee is our best asset. It keeps players fresh and ultimately allows them to have a longer career in the NFL. At the end of the day the goal is to let these players have great NFL careers and grab a championship on the way
Posted by la_birdman
Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31013 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:13 am to
I don't mind running the ball. I like that we have a stable of backs.


That being said, at some point you must throw the ball. And I'm not talking one deep pass and then get back to running the ball for 3 more downs.


But to answer your question, I like having a stable.

I think we tend to use 3, maybe stick in a 4th one for a couple drives but generally, I think we use 3.
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36361 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:14 am to
LSU
L. Fournette 66 364 5.5 4
K. Hilliard 61 309 5.1 5

Bama
T. Yeldon 77 407 5.3 2
D. Henry 70 357 5.1 2

Aub
C. Artis-Payne 110 594 5.4 5
N. Marshall 58 392 6.8 4

Ole Miss
J. Walton 40 238 6.0 3
I. Mathers 33 152 4.6 2

M State
J. Robinson 79 592 7.5 6
D. Prescott 85 455 5.4 6

TAMU
T. Williams 42 287 6.8 4
T. Carson 43 244 5.7 4

Arkansas
A. Collins 86 621 7.2 6
J. Williams 66 486 7.4
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76301 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:15 am to
the RB by committee approach is apparently the problem du jour

Its the least of the offense's problems
Posted by Dubaitiger
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Member since Nov 2005
4938 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:18 am to
You make some good points as does the other. However, to give us the best chance for winning you are spot on. PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS and at this point I would run LF and DW and let those guys lather up and kick arse. You are correct to get these guys flowing in the game then you pull the best for 3 series then cold again.

All you pussies worrying about someone being fresh for the NFL go purchase a Hello Kitty Store... College is big business and all the teams which are most who run their best 2 players max 3 are not wanting to get their players hurt, but merely put the best players on the field and WIN
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68604 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:24 am to
quote:

That being said, at some point you must throw the ball. And I'm not talking one deep pass and then get back to running the ball for 3 more downs.


I get it, but we threw it 24 times, our qbs were off. Harris was way off early and we reverted back to try to control the clock and run it. Just didnt work out. But either way we throw 3 straight incompletions, doesnt help keep the d off the field either, at least we had some success running it with lf on 1st down. i think its time to let the kid loose and run the other guys in the second half.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 12:26 am
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5986 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:29 am to
I agree.
Momentum is very important in football and is probably very crucial to this young team whether they realize it or not.
Friggin physics dictates that momentum builds with acceleration - A constant energy directed at forward movement.
If you have two bulldozers and drive one, pedal to the metal, for 2 seconds and then do the same thing to other one.. and measure their combined momentum... it would be much lower than 1 bulldozer, pedal to the metal, for 4 seconds.
Fournette is obviously our best "bulldozer" and there is no reason to purposely stop his momentum.

I understand this is applying a literal concept to a figurative situation, but it definitely applies.

Posted by keeper05
BR
Member since Feb 2007
379 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:31 am to
quote:

LSU 
L. Fournette 66 364 5.5 4 
K. Hilliard 61 309 5.1 5 

Bama 
T. Yeldon 77 407 5.3 2 
D. Henry 70 357 5.1 2 

Aub 
C. Artis-Payne 110 594 5.4 5 
N. Marshall 58 392 6.8 4 

Ole Miss 
J. Walton 40 238 6.0 3 
I. Mathers 33 152 4.6 2 

M State 
J. Robinson 79 592 7.5 6 
D. Prescott 85 455 5.4 6 

TAMU 
T. Williams 42 287 6.8 4 
T. Carson 43 244 5.7 4 

Arkansas 
A. Collins 86 621 7.2 6 
J. Williams 66 486 7.4


This post misses the point. The issue OP has with our running back approach is not that we run more than one. It is that we use four. You quote other teams that use two backs. what you should show is the carries those teams have for their third and fourth backs. Bama's third back has only 22 carries. LSU third back has 42 and their fourth has 37.

I have no issue with the total amount of carries, but I do with how they are distributed. It isn't like LSU's backs are getting fatigued on ten carries . Hell, the most they ever get in a row without being subbed out is four because we can't sustain drives. I would like to see about 20 carries shaved from Williams and Magee respectively and distributed elsewhere. The team wouldn't suffer and our more dynamic back would have more opportunity.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 12:34 am
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36361 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:44 am to
We should use the Auburn system. Fournette or Hilliard getting plenty more.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
16162 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 12:46 am to
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This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 1:01 am
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26636 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:57 am to
quote:

You mean when bama had Ingram, Richardson, and Lacey playing in the same season? Running by committee is our best asset. It keeps players fresh and ultimately allows them to have a longer career in the NFL. At the end of the day the goal is to let these players have great NFL careers and grab a championship on the way



Ingram 158
Richardson 112
Lacy 56

Do you even look at things before posting?

I made a thread on this last night. Check out the other teams in the west

Alabama
Yeldon 77
Henry 70
Drake 22

Arkansas
Collins 86
Williams 66
Marshall 22

Auburn
CAP 110
Grant 38
Thomas 13

Ole Miss
Walking 42
Mathers 33
Wilkons 21

MSU
Robinson 79
Holloway 25
Griffin 20

TAMU
Williams 42 (6 games)
Carson 43 (5 games)
Williams 29 (6 games)


What do you see? Arky, Bama, Auburn, and MSU, who rely on the run game, have two or one main back/s get most of the carries. TAMU uses the run game as a balance, Ole Miss really doesn't have a run game (I mean completely garbage).

For us to be successful, we need at least one guy to get into rhythm. I'd prefer Fournette with 18 or more carries, and the next guy with 10-12. We can not establish the run playing peek a boo with our RBs. We are a power run team first and foremost. People use the fresh excuse, but guys are in 3 straight plays at best before getting yanked for 3 series, to a quarter and a half. We can not establish anything if our guys don't establish themselves first.

Put it like this, would you like to run two backs the first three quarters with another guy in for change of pace, then blast with a fresh 4th guy in the fourth? Or would you just want to swap out four guys throughout the entire game, and never establish any kind of run game?

Like the announcer said in the very first game against Wisconsin, "this isn't youth football. Not every guy needs a turn".

It is extremely infuriating.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26636 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 9:59 am to
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Old Money


I see you are back to posting those stats that don't have any substance. I see you also didn't take out the QBs when discussing RB CARRIES! I also bet the same morons who upvoted you last night, just upvoted you again. It's like talking to freaking 4 year olds with some of you guys.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 10:00 am
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