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I'm going to defend Miles' "chain" quote

Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:34 pm
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:34 pm
I don't think he was saying he LITERALLY could not call a timeout because the chains were being moved.

I think he was saying the no huddle offense was clicking keeping the defense on their heels (ie the "chains were moving" by getting first downs) and he didn't want to break the momentum.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but I think that's what he meant.

Also, it's telling they DIDN'T use a timeout because there was NO DESIGNED play in that situation that Harris has practiced. My bet is, like Jordan Jefferson, Harris only practiced a handful of plays before the game and knew those (this inside tidbit on Jefferson was provided by a former LSU receiver).

Miles realized Harris was better winging it than him trying to run a designed play he hadn't really mastered and went with that.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:35 pm to
Timeout. Kick.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:36 pm to
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theunknownknight
God bless you. You really are a Knight.
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:36 pm to
Just call the fricking timeout

It's not that fricking hard
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:36 pm to
Like I said, not saying I agree with the decision, I'm just correcting the prevailing interpretation of his statement.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:37 pm to
Defend a moron who completely fricked up another end-of-half situation and is too stupid to know how to verbally explain himself. Unreal.

Miles had three options there:

1) Timeout.

2) Spike it.

3) Full retard.

Miles, as usual, went full retard. It is indefensible stupidity that you'd be pissed at a JV coach for screwing up.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:37 pm to
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Timeout. Kick.



Call the TO and give yourself one shot to the endzone and then the kick.

Some of the worst time management imaginable considering he took that TO to the locker room.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:37 pm to
Word
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

Miles realized Harris was better winging it than him trying to run a designed play he hadn't really mastered and went with that.



What do you mean by Harris "winging" it? You think Les didn't call in a play and just let Harris run whatever the hell he wanted? The old backyard football "just get open" play?
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:38 pm to
honestly, I'm pretty sure you're likely right that that is what he meant

however...

It's still stupid, and it's still clock mismanagement. Call the timeout and kick the ball and take the 3 points going into the half.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:38 pm to
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Call the TO and give yourself one shot to the endzone and then the kick.

Meh. Our QBs were running out of the pocket all night.

8 seconds might have been too little to try something. I kick right then and there.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:39 pm to
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Like I said, not saying I agree with the decision, I'm just correcting the prevailing interpretation of his statement.


If he spoke English, we wouldn't need an interpreter.

Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:39 pm to
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What do you mean by Harris "winging" it? You think Les didn't call in a play and just let Harris run whatever the hell he wanted? The old backyard football "just get open" play?


Two minute drill. Plays breaking down. Harris starts playing off instinct.

That's what we were seeing on that drive.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

honestly, I'm pretty sure you're likely right that that is what he meant

however...

It's still stupid, and it's still clock mismanagement. Call the timeout and kick the ball and take the 3 points going into the half.


We are on the same page then
Posted by jtran1988
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:41 pm to
That interpretation was horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:41 pm to
Best case scenario is that Harris gets the offense up to the line in a hurry, which they did, and he spikes it, which he tried to do. As soon as he got up, the camera was on him and he was signaling to clock it. If we clock it as soon as the ball is set, at worst, we are left with 7 seconds and a timeout. Not only does this mean that you get one shot at the end zone, but the defense also has to defend the entire field including a short pass over the middle since we still have a timeout.

For whatever reason, the coach that has been involved with the game in one capacity or another for 40 something years made the wrong decision when the 18 or 19 year old freshmen knew exactly what should have been done.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:43 pm to
I just don't get the point of someone trying to help explain complete incompetence.
Posted by Katy Tiger
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:46 pm to
I don't know why we even argue about Les and clock management any more. Its well established that he cannot handle this situation. Its happened multiple times.

This is easy to fix. The AD has to hire someone to handle this job for Les and make him give up the responsibility. Just let him be a spectator like everyone else.
Posted by House_of Cards
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:46 pm to
You call a timeout there. It is not debatable. You have 10 seconds and then call one play to the endzone. Field goal if that play doesn't work.

Not suggesting getting three there would have changed the game, but that is the proper strategy.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:47 pm to
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This is easy to fix. The AD has to hire someone to handle this job for Les and make him give up the responsibility. Just let him be a spectator like everyone else.


By this job, you mean the head coaching job.
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