Started By
Message

MULTIPLE Saints are in decline

Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Zoombop
Westbank
Member since Feb 2013
987 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:54 pm
I know the popular thing to talk about is the idea that Drew has lost arm strength. I don't believe that, although I'll agree his timing and accuracy on deep throws are off, but those are fixable.

The real issue is decision making under pressure. It's not a secret (though something most people seem to ignore) that Drew struggles with pressure up the middle. That's why we value guards more than tackles on the line. For the past 2-3 years, Jahri Evans has been in decline. Today he got beat pretty badly by Gerald McCoy multiple times. Nothing was happening when running to the right. Last season, Evans was bothered by injury and vastly underperformed. I don't have his PFF stats the past couple of years, but he has not been near the All-Pro he used to be. Couple that with inconsistency at center and you have a recipe for disaster.

Then there's the WR problem. Last season, we had serious depth issues at the spot. Joe Morgan blew his knee in training camp and Nick Toon still sucked. Kenny Stills was an unknown. The Chargers released Robert Meachem after a disaster of a time there. Multiple reports said that his body was broken down. He returns and makes a minimal impact as a situational deep threat. No one was buying it because his speed was gone.

That has carried over into this year, but it's worse. Instead of giving Joe Morgan a real shot, Meachem continues to get snaps and targets despite being unable to adjust to throws (and help his QB) or make non-basket catches. Every time he is targeted, the defender puts himself in better position than Meachem.

Then there's Colston. He came into this season healthy after being plagued by injuries last year and turning it up at the end of the season. Any momentum he had ended with that last ditch lateral against Seattle in the playoffs. This year he can't get separation on the outside or find anything in the slot. His patented seam catches are there for him, but he either drops them or fumbles them. It happens at least once per game it seems. He did it in OT against Atlanta with a fumble. Today he did it, but it was ruled a drop. Catching that pass would have put the team in FG range to win without going into OT.

I know it's a lot, but it's all real and supported by facts. Not exactly a pleasing thing when 3 of your highest paid players are in decline with a lot of years and $$$ left on their contracts.

Now it's on the coaching staff to make adjustments in the bye week to get the offense right. It starts with running the ball more with Ingram, Robinson, and Thomas. That group is tough to stop. Next would be getting Morgan involved in the offense, Stills back up to speed, and kicking Meachem to the curb. Evans's role won't change, but Payton needs to stop trotting an injured Jon Goodwin out there next to him.

By letting a lot of veterans go in the off-season, Payton and Loomis prioritized winning over loyalty to veterans. They need to hold that same standard to guys who are on this roster.
Posted by JasonL79
Member since Jan 2010
6397 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:03 pm to
I would like to see the stats on the line today. I know protection on Drew looked horrible today.
Posted by death valley driver
CHOPPA CITY
Member since Jul 2004
11595 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:04 pm to
You preach a lot of truth brother , which makes why our DL can't get pressure to save their lives even more puzzling. They are all in their primes
Posted by tunechi
Member since Jun 2009
10178 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:05 pm to
Just keep pecking away on the keyboard breh
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
Member since Oct 2011
31637 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:06 pm to
I don't see why Meachem is our deep threat.

Can't cooks do that, if not Morgan?
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21328 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:09 pm to
Cooks looks more poised for that Lance Moore role with the occasional deep ball here and there. He needs to calm the frick down on returns. Make one move, and go. His speed is no good when he gets happy feet.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 9:47 pm to
Cut Colston, Evans, Grubbs...Brees restructure. Brees makes bad decisions because no QB can make good decisions when they run for their life. It's time to invest in some new offensive lineman. I don't know what's wrong with Stills but he sucks this year too. We have no WRs outside Graham/Cooks and Cooks is still learning. I say focus on offensive line first because if Brees has all day to throw, he'll get it to someone. Same for the running game. It will open it up more and make the pass easier. Partly why Brees is struggling in the passing game a bit is because it's mostly a one-dimensional offense with them sitting on routes.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 9:49 pm
Posted by Sleazy E
Member since Jan 2014
1768 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:15 pm to
If Brees doesn't turn the ball over in the 1st two games we win both. His turnovers are the game changers.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:17 pm to
He's getting hit a lot though. How this staff overlooked the oline problems last year is beyond me. Brees was hit more last year than some of his other years combined. That's ridiculous oversight.

If they have any great G on the market or draft the Saints need to jump on it and cut ties with Evans. If he doesn't take a paycut cya. Sorry...he's still good at time but he's not worth the hit on the cap right now.

Offensive line should be priority with CB #2. An offensive line would go a long way to solving much of the problems on the offensive side. Just look at the arse kicking we received by Dallas who has an amazing line. Here's a fact for you -- Demarco Murray has over 400+ yards rushing this year without contact. Yeah. Colston goes unless he takes a paycut too because he's in major decline right now. We would need a big WR though and I'm not sure how to replace that.
This post was edited on 10/5/14 at 10:22 pm
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:30 pm to
quote:

If Brees doesn't turn the ball over in the 1st two games we win both. His turnovers are the game changers.


100% Correct

Drews negative plays are killing us. I wish he would just throw it away more and protect the football better.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
22443 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:38 pm to
Its the offensive line dummy!!! Plus colston really is in decline
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63473 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:41 pm to
I'm definitely in decline. My back is killing me.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141793 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:45 pm to
Would a real Saints fan use this pic as an avvy?

Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
71572 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:50 pm to
quote:

Its the offensive line dummy!!!

Yes and no. He should've taken the sack on the pick 6 instead of throwing it up for grabs. We were down 4 in the beginning on the 3rd Q, it was an awful decision to force it. Punting ain't always bad.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64311 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 8:53 am to
MULTIPLE Saints are in decline

Was very clear watching the game yesterday.
It seems both guards are trending downward in production. Streif is old but still a decent RT and the center spot seems a bit up in the air.

As to the LB corp?
Heads need to roll.
Whether its coaches scouts or the coffee this unit completely blows.
Please flush the stink CSP.
Watching the LB's try and blitz is liking watching shalee 2.0. Please stop.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24518 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:15 am to
OP makes some valid and great points. To that...

quote:

MULTIPLE Saints are in decline



this is the truth.

Brees is declining, but he is still a top 10 QB in the league. I think we have one to maybe 2 legitimate years left in him. He's resembling Favre at his career's end: productive with lots of bad mistakes (well really that could be Favre's entire career).

The rest that are declining:

Colston (he's done)
Evans (I think he hasn't been very good the last 2 years)
Grubs
Lofton (though I've never considered him any good)
Payton (yes, that one. he is becoming a caricature of himself at this point)


The worst part about this season is that our D-Line have been complete busts. I think they believed their off-season hype and have shown up completely unfocused and out of sync. They arrive on Sundays expecting to play great but not working to actually do so. This is concerning and a direct reflection of poor coaching.


Posted by LSUzealot
Napoleon and Magazine
Member since Sep 2003
57656 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:18 am to
I'm still trying to figure out how we won yesterday considering Brees had ZERO time to throw and Glennan literally had 1 pressure all day.
Posted by whodatfan
Member since Mar 2008
21328 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:22 am to
quote:

Lofton (though I've never considered him any good) 


Lol
Posted by KindaRaw
Member since Jun 2014
3963 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:23 am to
I've been wondering why Morgan hasn't been given snaps since the first game. The deep passes thrown to him weren't really the best, and he's shown that he can stretch the field better than any of our other WRs.

Also, I want to see more Josh Hill. Dude has been a monster in some of our bigger plays this season, AND he can block better than Jimmy. Dude might end up being a much more complete TE than JG, which is saying a lot.

Last but not least, we needa use our RBs more like you said. Thomas on those screens is undefendable at this point. Khiry and Ingram have been amazing this season (getting Ingram back for Detroit will be HUGE.).
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:24 am to
quote:

I'm still trying to figure out how we won yesterday considering Brees had ZERO time to throw and Glennan literally had 1 pressure all day.



1 sack, 2 qb hits, 18 hurries
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram