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The Ghost of Ronald Reagan Authorizes Most NSA Spying

Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:18 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33403 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:18 pm
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U.S. intelligence agents have broad authority to spy on U.S. companies as long as they are “believed to have some relationship with foreign organizations or persons” — a description that could conceivably apply to any company with foreign shareholders, subsidiaries, or even employees—according to newly released government documents published this morning by the ACLU.

The trove, which includes documents from the NSA, Department of Justice, and Defense Intelligence Agency, confirms long-standing suspicions that the bulk of U.S. foreign surveillance operations are governed not by acts of Congress, but by a 33-year-old executive order issued unilaterally by President Ronald Reagan.

The documents were released in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the ACLU and the Media Freedom and Information Access Clinic at Yale Law School, and they detail the extent of the order — which is extraordinarily broad and until recently largely obscure — and which underpins expansive U.S. surveillance programs, like siphoning internet traffic from Google and Yahoo’s overseas data centers, recording every call in the Bahamas, and gathering billions of records on cellphone locations around the world.

They also point to a gap in the public reaction to Ed Snowden’s revelations about those programs. Despite that fact that most of the NSA’s spying relies on Reagan’s directive, Executive Order 12333, the vast majority of reform efforts have concentrated on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) and other legislative fixes. “Congress’s reform efforts have not addressed the executive order,” notes Alex Abdo of the ACLU, ”and the bulk of the government’s disclosures in response to the Snowden revelations have conspicuously ignored the NSA’s extensive mandate under EO 12333.”


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Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72065 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:25 pm to
Holy crap! Reagan knew about Google and the internet way back when?!

He was a genius.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:27 pm to
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A review group appointed by Obama recommended last December that the government should be more cautious with the American data gathered under 12333. Those proposals were rejected, The New York Times recently reported


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:27 pm to
quote:

Holy crap! Reagan knew about Google and the internet way back when?! He was a genius.


I bet Al Gore was giving him inside information.
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
82952 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:28 pm to
Damn right he was.
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:42 pm to
Reagan's fault
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:43 pm to
quote:

Reagan's fault


At one point the libs will claim it was George Washington's fault.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 9/30/14 at 10:45 pm to


I've always thought that it was ridiculous for libtards to sweep Obama's failings under the rug by blaming Bush, but big flip has upped the ante considerably by resorting to:

REAGAN DID IT!

I can't wait until Andrew Jackson gets blamed for the fallout from the implementation of the employer mandate.
Posted by Truckasaurus
Alabama
Member since May 2014
336 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:37 am to
quote:

I've always thought that it was ridiculous for libtards to sweep Obama's failings under the rug by blaming Bush, but big flip has upped the ante considerably by resorting to:

REAGAN DID IT!


Well, the right has that beat! They blamed Jimmy Carter for the 2008 housing collapse.

And the right also still blames LBJ for a lot of things to this day.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:45 am to
quote:

Holy crap! Reagan knew about Google and the internet way back when?!

He knew about it before he forgot about it
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19342 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:46 am to
quote:

At one point the libs will claim it was George Washington's fault


Well he did preside over the Constitutional Convention which established America as we know it. So, in a roundabout way it is George Washington's fault.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11707 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:48 am to
quote:

Holy crap! Reagan knew about Google and the internet way back when?! He was a genius.


If Reagan made a broad enough pronouncement that can cover today's technological privacy issues, then he did something horrible with little foresight.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 7:54 am to
No George Washington didn't help establish the America we have now. He would've had the likes of Obama and Holder deported.

Now, what country would take their sorry asses in? That's a good question.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29439 posts
Posted on 10/1/14 at 9:23 am to
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And the right also still blames LBJ for a lot of things to this day.

Yeah, his war on poverty and the great welfare state has worked out so well for all the poors and black folks.
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