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Neil Tyson lied, his credibility died | Update: Tyson denies, goes full retard
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:17 am
Particularly with reference to his plagiarism and quote fabrication
LINK
UPDATE:
Tyson responds
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It gets better (LOL4):
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Some responses:
Response from the website that first made the allegations
LINK
UPDATE:
Tyson responds
LOL1:
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The quote was drawn long ago from my memory of a news story that appeared in the New York Post in the early-to-mid-1990s. It was a second-tier headline. The point of my commentary was not to indict a particular publication or journalist but to make a broader statement about STEM illiteracy in America, and how that can adversely affect our future economic stability as a Nation. The exact reference is long lost.
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I’ve actually heard this quote several times in my life, but only once (in person) with a member of Congress. Again, as with the NYPost, names don’t matter here. My point is not to indict an individual but to cite a broader issue that affects all of American society. A point clear and present to all those who attend my talks and who glean the context in which this information is presented.
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September 11th2001 affected me deeply, as was true with most people:
I have explicit memory of those words being spoken by the President. I reacted on the spot, making note for possible later reference in my public discourse. Odd that nobody seems to be able to find the quote anywhere -- surely every word publicly uttered by a President gets logged.
It gets better (LOL4):
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FYI: There are two kinds of failures of memory. One is remembering that which has never happened and the other is forgetting that which did. In my case, from life experience, I’m vastly more likely to forget an incident than to remember an incident that never happened. So I assure you, the quote is there somewhere. When you find it, tell me. Then I can offer it to others who have taken as much time as you to explore these things.
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Also, I do not use written notes when I give public talks. Instead, my talks are more like conversations with the audience. (Ask anyone who has attended, rather than people who have only commented on transcripts or on posted excerpts.) I’ve found that when talks are read to an audience the content is at risk of being stiff and lifeless. So my goal when communicating is always to convey the message of a story. But now that I know that you are paying such close attention to details, I'll try even harder to have my spoken numbers match my printed numbers.
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I don’t know how good the records are for searching. Good luck. Maybe you can put out a general announcement to see if you can find any of the other two-dozen people who were in the courtroom at the time. Including the judge and lawyers. Perhaps one of them will remember and come forward for you, serving as an eyewitness. But the underlying fact here is that I am probably a better eyewitness than any of them because the incident involved me.
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Note that the lowest form of evidence in the court of science is eyewitness testimony. In spite of it being a high form of evidence in the court of law. Yet that’s most of what I have offered you here. Me telling you “I said it. I saw it. I read It. I heard it.” So I admire your skepticism. We all share this in the scientific community. The difference is that our urge to run and verify a statement is proportional to how extraordinary the claim is. If my colleague tells me it was cloudy at the telescope last night, I’m not compelled to mount an investigation of its truth. But if my colleague declared that an alien saucer flew over the observatory last night, my need for evidence beyond his eyewitness account increases greatly.
Some responses:
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Brandt @UrbanAchievr
Redditors scoured every inch of MH17 crash zone & every face in Boston marathon crowd. If @neiltyson's Bush quote was real, they'd find it.
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Andrew Kaczynski @BuzzFeedAndrew
Just admit you either misremembered or made up a Bush quote @neiltyson. This denial flys in face of scientific method https://facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/email-exchange-with-the-federalist/10152354422065869/ …
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Sean Davis @seanmdav
This, from @neiltyson, is the adult equivalent of swearing that you totally did see a leprechaun riding a unicorn. https://m.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/email-exchange-with-the-federalist/10152354422065869/ …
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Michael B Dougherty @michaelbd
I like how he pretends his fanboys are “we in the scientific community” https://m.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/email-exchange-with-the-federalist/10152354422065869/ …
Response from the website that first made the allegations
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:22 am to TN Bhoy
Great timing with 90proof's thread
I had no idea about any of this. Interesting to say the least.
I had no idea about any of this. Interesting to say the least.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:23 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I say: who gives a frick?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:23 am to TN Bhoy
I will say I'm always skeptical of scientists, doctors, and preachers that seem to be more focused drawing an audience than working in their fields.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:25 am to baybeefeetz
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I say: who gives a frick?
Wouldn't those accusations, if true, go to his credibility as one of this nations most trusted Scientific speakers?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:27 am to baybeefeetz
Apparently the smug atheists who adore Tyson do or they wouldn't keep rushing to his defense.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:29 am to weagle99
I mean, who cares? Doesn't matter .
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:32 am to baybeefeetz
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I mean, who cares? Doesn't matter .
You don't think it matters that the guy who holds himself out as the GOAT scientist and voice of reason has been making shite up and his followers are doing their best to scrub any mention of his problems from existence
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:33 am to TN Bhoy
I mentioned it in a thread back on the 16th of this month...
me:
not me:
me:
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The one with that proven liar De Grassi?
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Explain. I'm sure it will take away from the fact that he is a remarkably brilliant astrophysicist.
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Is this a way to discredit everything he says, or is a person allowed to make mistakes?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:33 am to weagle99
It's funny. I don't hate Tyson or anything, but I do dislike his supporters. The huge majority of them are Reddit-loving folks with no scientific ability of their own regurgitating things Tyson says to seem superior to the backwoods Christians they abhor.
That they now refuse to consider evidence of Tyson's misdeeds is pretty funny, as I'm sure they regularly accuse others of doing pretty much the same thing.
That they now refuse to consider evidence of Tyson's misdeeds is pretty funny, as I'm sure they regularly accuse others of doing pretty much the same thing.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:36 am to weagle99
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Apparently the smug atheists who adore Tyson do or they wouldn't keep rushing to his defense.
The Friendly Atheist goes after Tyson
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:37 am to Green Chili Tiger
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smug atheists
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The Friendly Atheist
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:41 am to Green Chili Tiger
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The Easter Bunny goes after Tyson
AMIRITE
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:43 am to 90proofprofessional
You leave Peter Cottontail out of this. He was a Saint!
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:48 am to baybeefeetz
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I mean, who cares? Doesn't matter .
I do. Want to know why? I'll tell you.
Because the Atheists out there will make fun of me and call me stupid for putting blind faith in a God when I have absolutely no proof of his existence and just have to take the word of an old book on faith. Well, these same people have no more knowledge of science than I do and they take the word of this liar on blind faith and use his words as a weapon against believers. It's pathetic. Atheists push their beliefs on people even more than Christians do. Hypocrites.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:51 am to Pettifogger
I immediately delete anyone who "likes" the I fricking love Science Facebook page.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:52 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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23003
Bout time!
Posted on 9/26/14 at 11:58 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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GeauxxxTigers23
Sorry for partying?
So you have blind faith in a book, and are criticizing people who have blind faith in a scientist?
Posted on 9/26/14 at 12:00 pm to BayouBlitz
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So you have blind faith in a book, and are criticizing people who have blind faith in a scientist?
What's the difference?
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