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Red States are the biggest Takers
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:02 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:02 am
I notice there is a lot of talk of secession on this board. Louisiana is one of the biggest takers, meaning this state takes in far more revenue from the federal government than it gives back. It would be economically disastrous for Louisiana and these other states to secede.
In fact the 7 biggest takers are all very strong red states. South Carolina is the biggest taker but Florida, North Dakota, Alabama, Mississippi, and Indiana also depend heavily on the government teat.
See the below chart:
Revenue[5] Spending[6] Net Revenue Spending Net
Delaware 20,062 6,246 13,816 32.0% 10.0% 22.0%
Minnesota 90,704 48,377 42,326 29.1% 15.5% 13.6%
Nebraska 23,802 9,708 14,094 21.7% 8.9% 12.9%
New Jersey 128,052 61,687 66,365 23.6% 11.4% 12.2%
Ohio 124,731 63,294 61,437 22.1% 11.2% 10.9%
Illinois 137,068 60,945 76,123 19.0% 8.5% 10.6%
Arkansas 28,772 17,849 10,924 23.2% 14.4% 8.8%
Kansas 24,729 13,261 11,468 17.2% 9.2% 8.0%
New York 231,880 135,858 96,022 17.7% 10.4% 7.3%
Rhode Island 13,011 9,812 3,199 24.5% 18.4% 6.0%
Colorado 46,539 29,850 16,688 15.8% 10.1% 5.7%
Massachusetts 90,464 66,816 23,648 20.3% 15.0% 5.3%
Wyoming 5,305 2,908 2,398 11.7% 6.4% 5.3%
Georgia 74,301 51,405 22,896 16.3% 11.3% 5.0%
California 334,425 227,605 106,820 15.2% 10.3% 4.8%
Oklahoma 30,057 21,628 8,428 16.5% 11.9% 4.6%
Utah 17,658 11,713 5,945 12.5% 8.3% 4.2%
Washington 59,880 44,779 15,101 14.7% 11.0% 3.7%
Texas 249,912 197,578 52,334 16.3% 12.9% 3.4%
Missouri 54,412 45,126 9,286 19.7% 16.3% 3.4%
District of Columbia 24,464 21,104 3,360 21.6% 18.6% 3.0%
New Hampshire 10,002 8,127 1,875 14.7% 12.0% 2.8%
South Dakota 6,317 5,042 1,276 13.5% 10.8% 2.7%
Iowa 21,189 17,942 3,248 12.8% 10.8% 2.0%
Michigan 68,915 61,124 7,791 15.9% 14.1% 1.8%
Oregon 25,716 21,805 3,911 11.7% 9.9% 1.8%
Nevada 15,858 13,654 2,205 12.0% 10.3% 1.7%
North Carolina 66,102 58,260 7,842 14.0% 12.4% 1.7%
Alaska 5,293 5,032 261 8.9% 8.5% 0.4%
Maryland 56,332 57,289 -957 16.5% 16.7% -0.3%
Connecticut 53,703 55,356 -1,652 21.5% 22.2% -0.7%
Vermont 4,046 4,268 -222 13.7% 14.5% -0.8%
Idaho 8,669 10,148 -1,479 13.9% 16.3% -2.4%
Montana 4,997 6,168 -1,171 11.3% 14.0% -2.7%
Virginia 71,365 90,828 -19,462 15.8% 20.1% -4.3%
Hawaii 7,140 10,410 -3,270 9.5% 13.8% -4.3%
Tennessee 53,909 70,289 -16,380 18.7% 24.4% -5.7%
Louisiana 40,185 54,903 -14,718 15.8% 21.7% -5.8%
Arizona 36,769 53,830 -17,061 13.2% 19.3% -6.1%
Maine 6,745 10,652 -3,907 12.3% 19.5% -7.1%
Pennsylvania 120,398 169,125 -48,727 18.7% 26.2% -7.6%
West Virginia 6,799 12,980 -6,181 9.2% 17.5% -8.4%
New Mexico 8,547 18,715 -10,169 9.3% 20.3% -11.0%
Wisconsin 46,381 83,004 -36,623 16.4% 29.4% -13.0%
Indiana 50,994 92,428 -41,434 16.1% 29.1% -13.1%
Mississippi 10,430 24,448 -14,018 9.9% 23.2% -13.3%
Kentucky 27,744 60,563 -32,819 15.1% 33.0% -17.9%
Florida 141,178 284,582 -143,404 17.6% 35.6% -17.9%
Alabama 23,766 58,473 -34,707 12.3% 30.2% -17.9%
North Dakota 7,562 28,973 -21,412 13.4% 51.4% -38.0%
South Carolina 20,446 109,834 -89,388 11.1% 59.8% -48.7%
TOTAL 2,837,725 2,705,800 131,925 17.0% 16.2% 0.8%
In fact the 7 biggest takers are all very strong red states. South Carolina is the biggest taker but Florida, North Dakota, Alabama, Mississippi, and Indiana also depend heavily on the government teat.
See the below chart:
Revenue[5] Spending[6] Net Revenue Spending Net
Delaware 20,062 6,246 13,816 32.0% 10.0% 22.0%
Minnesota 90,704 48,377 42,326 29.1% 15.5% 13.6%
Nebraska 23,802 9,708 14,094 21.7% 8.9% 12.9%
New Jersey 128,052 61,687 66,365 23.6% 11.4% 12.2%
Ohio 124,731 63,294 61,437 22.1% 11.2% 10.9%
Illinois 137,068 60,945 76,123 19.0% 8.5% 10.6%
Arkansas 28,772 17,849 10,924 23.2% 14.4% 8.8%
Kansas 24,729 13,261 11,468 17.2% 9.2% 8.0%
New York 231,880 135,858 96,022 17.7% 10.4% 7.3%
Rhode Island 13,011 9,812 3,199 24.5% 18.4% 6.0%
Colorado 46,539 29,850 16,688 15.8% 10.1% 5.7%
Massachusetts 90,464 66,816 23,648 20.3% 15.0% 5.3%
Wyoming 5,305 2,908 2,398 11.7% 6.4% 5.3%
Georgia 74,301 51,405 22,896 16.3% 11.3% 5.0%
California 334,425 227,605 106,820 15.2% 10.3% 4.8%
Oklahoma 30,057 21,628 8,428 16.5% 11.9% 4.6%
Utah 17,658 11,713 5,945 12.5% 8.3% 4.2%
Washington 59,880 44,779 15,101 14.7% 11.0% 3.7%
Texas 249,912 197,578 52,334 16.3% 12.9% 3.4%
Missouri 54,412 45,126 9,286 19.7% 16.3% 3.4%
District of Columbia 24,464 21,104 3,360 21.6% 18.6% 3.0%
New Hampshire 10,002 8,127 1,875 14.7% 12.0% 2.8%
South Dakota 6,317 5,042 1,276 13.5% 10.8% 2.7%
Iowa 21,189 17,942 3,248 12.8% 10.8% 2.0%
Michigan 68,915 61,124 7,791 15.9% 14.1% 1.8%
Oregon 25,716 21,805 3,911 11.7% 9.9% 1.8%
Nevada 15,858 13,654 2,205 12.0% 10.3% 1.7%
North Carolina 66,102 58,260 7,842 14.0% 12.4% 1.7%
Alaska 5,293 5,032 261 8.9% 8.5% 0.4%
Maryland 56,332 57,289 -957 16.5% 16.7% -0.3%
Connecticut 53,703 55,356 -1,652 21.5% 22.2% -0.7%
Vermont 4,046 4,268 -222 13.7% 14.5% -0.8%
Idaho 8,669 10,148 -1,479 13.9% 16.3% -2.4%
Montana 4,997 6,168 -1,171 11.3% 14.0% -2.7%
Virginia 71,365 90,828 -19,462 15.8% 20.1% -4.3%
Hawaii 7,140 10,410 -3,270 9.5% 13.8% -4.3%
Tennessee 53,909 70,289 -16,380 18.7% 24.4% -5.7%
Louisiana 40,185 54,903 -14,718 15.8% 21.7% -5.8%
Arizona 36,769 53,830 -17,061 13.2% 19.3% -6.1%
Maine 6,745 10,652 -3,907 12.3% 19.5% -7.1%
Pennsylvania 120,398 169,125 -48,727 18.7% 26.2% -7.6%
West Virginia 6,799 12,980 -6,181 9.2% 17.5% -8.4%
New Mexico 8,547 18,715 -10,169 9.3% 20.3% -11.0%
Wisconsin 46,381 83,004 -36,623 16.4% 29.4% -13.0%
Indiana 50,994 92,428 -41,434 16.1% 29.1% -13.1%
Mississippi 10,430 24,448 -14,018 9.9% 23.2% -13.3%
Kentucky 27,744 60,563 -32,819 15.1% 33.0% -17.9%
Florida 141,178 284,582 -143,404 17.6% 35.6% -17.9%
Alabama 23,766 58,473 -34,707 12.3% 30.2% -17.9%
North Dakota 7,562 28,973 -21,412 13.4% 51.4% -38.0%
South Carolina 20,446 109,834 -89,388 11.1% 59.8% -48.7%
TOTAL 2,837,725 2,705,800 131,925 17.0% 16.2% 0.8%
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:07 am to samson'sseed
Oh goody. We haven't seen this thread in about three weeks.
And once again, I'm sure if you break down the recipients by voting precincts you'll find that those receiving the most government largesse are "blue" voters.
Here's a thought. Quit electing politicians who are constantly looking for ways to spend money we don't have.
And once again, I'm sure if you break down the recipients by voting precincts you'll find that those receiving the most government largesse are "blue" voters.
Here's a thought. Quit electing politicians who are constantly looking for ways to spend money we don't have.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:10 am to redandright
quote:
And once again, I'm sure if you break down the recipients by voting precincts you'll find that those receiving the most government largesse are "blue" voters.
And secession won't work if you take these urban blocks with you/us.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:12 am to samson'sseed
We see this thread so often. Make it stop.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:13 am to NikolaiJakov
If you scale back subsidized housing and entitlements, perhaps that group will migrate to other states?
Military spending is huge in a lot or southern states BTW. I doubt that will slow down anytime soon.
Military spending is huge in a lot or southern states BTW. I doubt that will slow down anytime soon.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 8:15 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:16 am to member12
quote:
If you scale back subsidized housing and entitlements, perhaps that group will migrate to other states?
One can hope. Maybe the bleeding hearts in the "blue" country will raise taxes to pay their relocation costs to new subsidized housing in the Blue S.A.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:28 am to samson'sseed
The problem with the government teat isn't the teat, its the fact that our current government does nothing to get people off of it.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:40 am to samson'sseed
You can keep all of it.
If we can keep our oil/gas revenue.
If we can keep our oil/gas revenue.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:43 am to NikolaiJakov
quote:
And secession won't work if you take these urban blocks with you/us.
stop giving them shite and they'll move or find a job
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:43 am to samson'sseed
Red states also tend to be the most charitable, moreso than those rich blue states. Funny how that all works out.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:45 am to samson'sseed
quote:
I notice there is a lot of talk of secession on this board.
Is there?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:00 am to samson'sseed
No surprise. When you se the results of the welfare state culture--you either turn away from it, or participate in it.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:02 am to samson'sseed
quote:
I notice there is a lot of talk of secession on this board. Louisiana is one of the biggest takers, meaning this state takes in far more revenue from the federal government than it gives back. It would be economically disastrous for Louisiana and these other states to secede.
well if the state LA were to secede (which i am not advocating, just discussing), our "Taker" population would emigrate from LA and immigrate into the USA so y'all would have to keep spending to keep them on the government tit
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
I honestly don't understand why Democrats are against secession. It would tilt the power in their direction.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:06 am to samson'sseed
Red states' poor are generally the poorest (ETA: and laziest) in the country. The Republican majority in these states witness these leeches to society on a daily basis, and, therefore, they continue to vote Republican. It's not actually the Republicans who are the takers in these states - it's the minority.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly.
if the state LA were to secede (which i am not advocating, just discussing), our "Taker" population would emigrate from LA and immigrate into the USA so y'all would have to keep spending to keep them on the government tit
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:08 am to samson'sseed
How rich would Louisiana be if we got to keep all of the profits from our O&G resources?
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:09 am to samson'sseed
Oh, damn. I didn't realize this thread was started by the idiot who said colonoscopies are harmful and worthless.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 9:24 am to Patrick_Bateman
quote:Its kinda entertaining how the OP (and others) subtly try to imply this claim.
It's not actually the Republicans who are the takers in these states
As far as secession, it would be foolish to presume they the welfare state would continue post-secession. The federal-government-leech-alliance benefits greatly from anonymity. If you ask someone if they should "give more taxes to help the poor" many will say "yes". But when asked if they should "give more money to their brother-in-law with an alcohol problem and hasn't had a steady job in years" the answer is "hell no!"
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 9:25 am
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