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Has the spread forced a new approach to playing defense?
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:34 pm
With the offensive advantages that the spread has it seems that it would be very difficult to completely shut a talented team down....more so than the traditional I-form offense.
With regard to LSU...under Chavis they have been very aggressive and has given up big plays and very susceptible to misdirection, play action, or anything that could cause over pursuit. We may be better suited bending and not breaking the rest of the year.
With regard to LSU...under Chavis they have been very aggressive and has given up big plays and very susceptible to misdirection, play action, or anything that could cause over pursuit. We may be better suited bending and not breaking the rest of the year.
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Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:37 pm to bradybones24
When we had a monster D-line it didn't matter what you would run. Now we have to blitz to get pressure.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:38 pm to bradybones24
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under Chavis they have been very aggressive and has given up big plays and very susceptible to misdirection, play action, or anything that could cause over pursuit
didn't have any issues with Johnny Football or Auburn
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:39 pm to bradybones24
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With regard to LSU...under Chavis they have been very aggressive and has given up big plays and very susceptible to misdirection, play action, or anything that could cause over pursuit
We've been arguably the best team in the country at defending the spread. What MSU did to us had little to do with that. They ran right down our throats, just like Wisconsin
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:49 pm to bradybones24
we have one of the most versatile defensive schemes I've seen. when it has good personnel and is executed correctly, there's not an offense we haven't seen it at least contain, if not totally shut down.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 4:55 pm to ATLTiger
I agree. We have the balance of being able to stop the run and pass. This year we are just missing the experience and depth in the dline and that is hurting us. I think we were counting on having valentine in the rotation as well. I think that would have made a difference in these power runs up the middle. At least clogging up lanes. We were very light on the inside and have a MLB that doesn't fill the gap quickly. I like welter and I think he is a great young man, just has trouble identifying the inside runs and making plays.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:35 pm to Houston Texas Tiger
That's why I'm still in shock about the D on Saturday.
I mean for gods sake Chief was even able to contain Oregon.
The only team that's done what MSU did to is in recent memory is 2010 Auburn, and even they were held to 24.
I mean for gods sake Chief was even able to contain Oregon.
The only team that's done what MSU did to is in recent memory is 2010 Auburn, and even they were held to 24.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:53 pm to TigersforEver
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That's why I'm still in shock about the D on Saturday.
I mean for gods sake Chief was even able to contain Oregon.
TALENT
We were disgustingly loaded with front 7 talent in 2011. This 2014 team has almost none.
Posted on 9/22/14 at 7:55 pm to bradybones24
Yes, of course. Every offensive innovation through the years creates new defenses that eventually catch up... But that wasn't the problem. We beat Manziel and the Ags twice... Our lines were blown off at point of contact...
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:05 am to TigersforEver
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The only team that's done what MSU did to is in recent memory is 2010 Auburn, and even they were held to 24.
Boyd ripped us a new one in the bowl game and Auburn rushed for over 400 yards in 2010 on us. Prescott had a good game last year against us as well. They just couldn't stop Mett. Texas A&M spread is a little different than the "power running spread" with physical quarterbacks I was referring to.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 8:06 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:06 am to bradybones24
I don't think this whole "chief can stop the spread" theory is all that correct. I guess we'll see this year in college station if it's not raining or we don't have a 30 mph wind. With that being said, A&M doesn't run the ball quite like some of the other spreads that we've played.
This post was edited on 9/23/14 at 8:09 am
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:09 am to The Boat
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We were disgustingly loaded with front 7 talent in 2011. This 2014 team has almost none.
this 2014 squad only plays 3 DT's a game
herron, bain, and gilmore saw ZERO snaps against miss state
expect more of the same this year with the coaches refusing to play backups even when chavis said he would
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:09 am to bradybones24
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Has the spread forced a new approach to playing defense?
No, there will be a game or two where for whatever reason the other team scores points. What you need is an offense that can respond until the defense gets a stop or two.
Ball control time of possession battles are hard ways to win when you are down 21 in the third
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:15 am to bradybones24
The concept of the spread is to get one or two players in open space to exploit mismatches. What makes the spread dangerous is when teams that are loaded with talent run the spread because it makes it that much more difficult to run.
For example: if you spread out four wide receivers and leave a running back next to quarterback in the shotgun and the defense plans a simple 4-1-6(Dime) with two deep safeties then it leaves the running back with one man to beat and 4 DLinemen and a MLB to stop him AND all the WRs are spread out in one on one coverage. Start adding in mismatches with slot receivers and other concepts then it becomes a nightmare.
For the defense to stop it, THE NUMBER ONE priority is to be able to generate pressure on the quarterback by simply just rushing 4. You must also have prototype linebackers that are versatile enough to shutdown the run but that can still cover a receiver. The cornerbacks must be able to play press man on man. If you can generate enough pressure with a simple four man rush then you can get creative with blitzes and schemes. In previous years LSU has had that, this year we've been exploited up the middle. There are ways to scheme against it. We do it. It's blitzing to create the pressure but leaves the D extremely vulnerable.
For example: if you spread out four wide receivers and leave a running back next to quarterback in the shotgun and the defense plans a simple 4-1-6(Dime) with two deep safeties then it leaves the running back with one man to beat and 4 DLinemen and a MLB to stop him AND all the WRs are spread out in one on one coverage. Start adding in mismatches with slot receivers and other concepts then it becomes a nightmare.
For the defense to stop it, THE NUMBER ONE priority is to be able to generate pressure on the quarterback by simply just rushing 4. You must also have prototype linebackers that are versatile enough to shutdown the run but that can still cover a receiver. The cornerbacks must be able to play press man on man. If you can generate enough pressure with a simple four man rush then you can get creative with blitzes and schemes. In previous years LSU has had that, this year we've been exploited up the middle. There are ways to scheme against it. We do it. It's blitzing to create the pressure but leaves the D extremely vulnerable.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:22 am to bradybones24
570 yards is the most yards put on a les miles coached team
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:37 am to winston318
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When we had a monster D-line it didn't matter what you would run. Now we have to blitz to get pressure
this. and that's the #1 reason MSU crushed us. their D line much better than our OL.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:38 am to bradybones24
LSU has over committed to stopping spread offenses IMO.
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:39 am to bradybones24
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Texas A&M spread is a little different than the "power running spread" with physical quarterbacks I was referring to.
then say spread option and not spread, b/c the spread is a passing offense
Posted on 9/23/14 at 8:44 am to monsterballads
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herron, bain, and gilmore saw ZERO snaps against miss state
Bain played, and Neal is apparently all DT now.
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