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'09 to '14 Roster Comparison
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:35 pm
I made this thread because a post was getting hijacked. Feel free to add to the discussion. Just a quick comparison between players in '09 and '14. I am using our 2009 and 2013 stats as a comparison tool and to me, statistically our team was better in '09. There are a lot of things that foster good statistics; coaching, gameplans, player health, and the quality of the opponents, but it still serves as a decent comparison tool. Do I think our current team could be better than our 2009 team? Absolutely. But the two places you have to be good in to win championships are have a good Offensive Line and a good turnover margin. We had both of those in '09.
Offense
QB - I'm not touching this one. I think Brees can be just as good as he was in '09, but his line hasn't been as good and play-calling has been suspect this year (and last).
RBs - '09 Wins
Bush > Cadet
Thomas '09 > Pierre Thomas '14
Bell < Ingram
WRs - '09 Wins
Colston '09 > Colston '14 (huge difference here)
Henderson > Cooks
Meachem '09 < Stills
Moore > Meachem '14
Thanks for pointing out the error TigerBait.
TEs - '14 Wins (easily)
Graham > Shockey (not even close)
Watson > Shockey/Thomas
Hill = Thomas
OLine = '09 Wins
Bushrod = Armstead
Nicks > Grubbs
Goodwin '09 > Goodwin '14/Lelito
Evans '09 > Evans '14
Stinchcomb < Strief
Defense
DLine - '14 Wins Easily
W. Smith < Jordan
Grant < Hicks
Considerations:
-Smith had .5 sack more, and 9 more tackles, but Jordan recovered 2 fumbles, defended more passes, and had more assisted tackles.
-Grant/Hicks stats are very similar between years, but Hicks has double the amount of assisted tackles.
-Ellis was pretty bad. He had a sub-par year in '09, but was good enough to not stick out. I am confident Bunkley/Jenkins is far better than Ellis ever was.
-Hargrove had better stats than Jenkins + Bunkley combined, but NT plays a slightly different role than a 4-3 DT.
-Junior Galette basically played DE, but I don't think you need to lump him into this group to bolster their numbers, the current DLine is better (with the exception of Hargrove).
Linebackers - '09 Wins
Fujita > Hawethorne
Vilma > Lofton
Shanle < Galette/Humber
Corners - '09 Wins
Greer < Lewis
Porter > Robinson
Considerations:
-The backup CBs were better in 2009; we had Malcolm Jenkins in as Nickel and Gay as a backup. They both had an INT by the way.
-The reason I said '09 wins is because of the quality backups and the huge difference between Porter and Robinson, as well as more INTs, Forced Fumbles, and Sacks.
Safeties - Tie
Sharper > Byrd
Harper < Vaccaro
Considerations:
-Compared Byrd's status last year with the Bills. It's hard to beat Sharper's 9 INTs on that year, it was remarkable. But something else to point out, Sharper had 6 more passes defended and way more tackles.
-I say tie because the difference between Harper and Vaccaro is more than enough to impact how good Sharper was in '09. To be fair though, Sharper was on an island a lot in '09, so he was basically playing deep safety by himself.
Offense
QB - I'm not touching this one. I think Brees can be just as good as he was in '09, but his line hasn't been as good and play-calling has been suspect this year (and last).
RBs - '09 Wins
Bush > Cadet
Thomas '09 > Pierre Thomas '14
Bell < Ingram
WRs - '09 Wins
Colston '09 > Colston '14 (huge difference here)
Henderson > Cooks
Meachem '09 < Stills
Moore > Meachem '14
Thanks for pointing out the error TigerBait.
TEs - '14 Wins (easily)
Graham > Shockey (not even close)
Watson > Shockey/Thomas
Hill = Thomas
OLine = '09 Wins
Bushrod = Armstead
Nicks > Grubbs
Goodwin '09 > Goodwin '14/Lelito
Evans '09 > Evans '14
Stinchcomb < Strief
Defense
DLine - '14 Wins Easily
W. Smith < Jordan
Grant < Hicks
Considerations:
-Smith had .5 sack more, and 9 more tackles, but Jordan recovered 2 fumbles, defended more passes, and had more assisted tackles.
-Grant/Hicks stats are very similar between years, but Hicks has double the amount of assisted tackles.
-Ellis was pretty bad. He had a sub-par year in '09, but was good enough to not stick out. I am confident Bunkley/Jenkins is far better than Ellis ever was.
-Hargrove had better stats than Jenkins + Bunkley combined, but NT plays a slightly different role than a 4-3 DT.
-Junior Galette basically played DE, but I don't think you need to lump him into this group to bolster their numbers, the current DLine is better (with the exception of Hargrove).
Linebackers - '09 Wins
Fujita > Hawethorne
Vilma > Lofton
Shanle < Galette/Humber
Corners - '09 Wins
Greer < Lewis
Porter > Robinson
Considerations:
-The backup CBs were better in 2009; we had Malcolm Jenkins in as Nickel and Gay as a backup. They both had an INT by the way.
-The reason I said '09 wins is because of the quality backups and the huge difference between Porter and Robinson, as well as more INTs, Forced Fumbles, and Sacks.
Safeties - Tie
Sharper > Byrd
Harper < Vaccaro
Considerations:
-Compared Byrd's status last year with the Bills. It's hard to beat Sharper's 9 INTs on that year, it was remarkable. But something else to point out, Sharper had 6 more passes defended and way more tackles.
-I say tie because the difference between Harper and Vaccaro is more than enough to impact how good Sharper was in '09. To be fair though, Sharper was on an island a lot in '09, so he was basically playing deep safety by himself.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:37 pm to bountyhunter
Byrd is better than Sharper.
He's the third best FS in the league at worst.
He's the third best FS in the league at worst.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:39 pm to Jcorye1
agree except for the LB because shanle was that bad
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:50 pm to rantfan
Henderson was a great blocker at WR....Our WRs now are not good blockers!
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:52 pm to rantfan
quote:
Byrd is better than Sharper.
Yeah don't think that's very accurate. If Sharper doesn't go on a serial raping binge, he's a hall of famer. He's 7th all time in interceptions and tied for 1st all time in defensive TD's.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:55 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
Byrd is better than Sharper.
So far I don't agree...he can be. But he's a turnover machine which is why we signed him...he needs to make more plays and shore up on his tackling..but most of our guys on Defense need to get better at that.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:04 pm to Jcorye1
quote:
Byrd is better than Sharper.
Sharper was the most hardest hitting safety on the league though
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:10 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
WRs - '09 Wins
I disagree.
First, I think it is silly not to include TE's in this group, which easily puts it over the edge. Why did you combine Stills and Cooks into 1 player?
WR1 - Colston 09 > Colston 14
WR2 - Henderson < Cooks 14
WR3 - Meachem 09 < Stills 14
WR4 Moore > Meachem 14
Lance Moore was injured most of the year and only had 14 receptions
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:11 pm to bountyhunter
Stinchcomb is better than Strief imo..
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:19 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:
First, I think it is silly not to include TE's in this group, which easily puts it over the edge.
TEs =/= WRs ... according to the NFL, but not Jimmy Graham
quote:
Why did you combine Stills and Cooks into 1 player?
That was a mistake on my part that I forgot to fix before moving onto the defense. I will update. The only difference in WR I have with you is I think Henderson in '09 was better than Cooks will be this year. That is going to be heavily debated. Can Cooks be better than Henderson? Absolutely.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:31 pm to rantfan
quote:
agree except for the LB because shanle was that bad
That's overstated. In 2009 he wasn't that bad. He had the 3rd most tackles on the team (2nd most out of the LBs, and yes I know he was the SAM) and he recovered 2 fumbles. Also 3 passes defensed AND 2 INTs.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:33 pm to bountyhunter
If you put the LBs (Shanle-Vilma-Fujita) from 2009 on this team, put Galette at RDE, and run a 4-3, we'd be A LOT better.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 5:46 pm to htran90
quote:
If you put the LBs (Shanle-Vilma-Fujita) from 2009 on this team, put Galette at RDE, and run a 4-3, we'd be A LOT better.
I knew that was going to be a point of contention.
The main reason I did it like this is because we are so thin at LB, and it's hard to really compare the differences between a 3-4 NT/4-3 DT and a 3-4 Rushing OLB/4-3 OLB. I thought the best comparison to Galette was a 4-3 SAM linebacker, in this case, Shanle. Although Shanle had a pretty good year in '09, Galette's 12 sacks were enough for him to be better than Shanle statistically. Even without the NT/DT comparison, our current team wins that one.Posted on 9/16/14 at 6:53 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
The only difference in WR I have with you is I think Henderson in '09 was better than Cooks will be this year
Well, give it a chance first. Cooks looks excellent already, and he has only played in 2 games. Nearly 50 rushing yards, and 100 receiving. He is unbelievably dynamic, and will absolutely be a better fit for this offense than Henderson ever was.
quote:
Can Cooks be better than Henderson?
He will be, easily.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 6:55 pm to bountyhunter
Already got my noose tied for this Sunday. We''ll see what happens.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 7:18 pm to bountyhunter
I would say Lewis = 09 Greer
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:45 pm to BRL79
Sharper was a playmaker, I remember he had like 3 red zone picks. I'm not counting this D out though until I see a home game.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 9:59 pm to Isaid
In 2009 our wide receiver game was beautiful. True classic air coryell. We really just attacked the seam consistently and Colston was immaculate at that shizzz.
Worst part is, I think our wideout game was better in 2k11 with a peak Lance Moore.
And then 2k13 was just about as terrible as weve seen in the SP era. Has me doubting so hard.
Grey Colston, Ghost of Meachem, and 2 little dudes.
Big atheltic WO's is where its at. Love the flesh bombs, but at the end of the day the ability to make that catch on third down hearing footsteps is more valuable.
Worst part is, I think our wideout game was better in 2k11 with a peak Lance Moore.
And then 2k13 was just about as terrible as weve seen in the SP era. Has me doubting so hard.
Grey Colston, Ghost of Meachem, and 2 little dudes.
Big atheltic WO's is where its at. Love the flesh bombs, but at the end of the day the ability to make that catch on third down hearing footsteps is more valuable.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:09 pm to pookiebear
Tha fuq
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