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No-Knock Raid Results in Dead Cop, No Drugs: Prosecutors Push For Death Penalty

Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:40 pm
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:40 pm
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A no-knock raid is a law enforcement technique designed to search for incriminating evidence while taking suspects by surprise. However, on the morning of May 9, it left one officer dead and another injured.

Now prosecutors in Killeen, Texas, are hoping to impose the death penalty on the suspect, 49-year-old Marvin Louis Guy (pictured above), in spite of the fact that no drugs were found.

The Washington Post writer Radley Balko looks at why this may not be such a good idea.

“Perhaps this was a major drug operation that justified a pre-dawn, no-knock raid. But it doesn’t seem like it from the evidence found,” Balko said. “I’d imagine that a good percentage of households in Texas have at least one firearm and that a good percentage of households elsewhere in America have cellphones and a set of walkie-talkies [items found in the raid].”

While there was a drug pipe found at the scene, this “suggests drug use, not distribution,” and Balko rightly points out that while an informant “saw white bags of cocaine transported in and around the house,” criminal informants are not typically that reliable.

“But all of that is mostly beside the point,” Balko concludes. “The fact that the police didn’t find any drugs in the house suggests that Marvin Louis Guy didn’t know he was shooting at cops. Drug dealer or no, unless he had a death wish, it’s unlikely that a guy would knowingly fire at police officers when he had nothing in the house that was particularly incriminating.”

Still, the Killeen Police Department lost one of its own in 47-year-old Officer Charles “Chuck” Dinwiddie, and that isn’t lost on the prosecution, notes KWTX. The outlet originally broke the news prosecutors would be seeking the death penalty in spite of the probability that Guy, awakened at 5:30 a.m/ by the no-knock raid, was simply shooting wildly at what he believed to be armed intruders.

His gunfire also struck the femur of Officer Odis Denton, 37, who underwent surgery and was later released from Scott & White Hospital.

Guy also shot two additional officers, who were unharmed due to the bullets striking protective gear.

While the evidence presented thus far does not indicate that police had substantial reason to believe Guy was a drug dealer, the case is still in the early stages of being tried, so it’ll be interesting to see how it develops.

What do you think, readers? Should the prosecution push for the death penalty, or did the police’s unsuccessful no-knock raid justify the early morning gunfire?


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Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:43 pm to
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Drug dealer or no, unless he had a death wish, it’s unlikely that a guy would knowingly fire at police officers when he had nothing in the house that was particularly incriminating.”



I disagree.

If the "suspect" has watched any news - he knows that cops like to kill people for sport. So its completely conceivable he knew he was defending his life from cops. I don't see anything wrong with that - either. If you point a loaded weapon at me I think its reasonable for me to assume you're going to kill me - no matter what uniform you're in.

I was always taught you don't point a weapon at someone unless you're intent is to kill them. I really don't see why cops should be an exception to that. If they simply want it to be known they have deadly force available and are ready to use it if needed - they can draw their weapon without pointing it at the guy.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted by MrFreakinMiyagi
Reseda
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:43 pm to
It's a shame he didn't take them all out.
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:44 pm to
If they don't knock then how are you supposed to get a chance to reasonably determine if they are really the police?

If no-knock raids become a common thing, then criminals will start busting down doors and yelling "police! police!!" to neutralize the victims - or at least to create enough hesitation.

Also, isn't it reasonable to fear for your life if armed men, cops or not, bust down your door and start coming in aggressively?
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 10:46 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:46 pm to
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If they don't knock then how are you supposed to get a chance to reasonably determine if they are really the police?


You don't. You're just supposed to guess.

Though if the guy had a felonious amount of drugs (which he didn't) - the argument would go he was defending his stash, which is not legal no matter if its cops or thieves (in most states if you kill someone who is trying to take your stash - even if they are trying to use deadly force to do it - its murder)
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29749 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:48 pm to
Big government sucks for everyone.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:48 pm to
I honestly hope that this is the prosecution overcharging to try and make the defendent blink and plead down to maintain their cushy conviction rate and be good old boys with the PD wanting their pound of flesh.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:49 pm to
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Big government

quote:


Killeen, Texas
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:49 pm to
Death penalty? This guy shouldn't even be prosecuted. If they had used a regular warrant instead of a no-knock warrant, none of this would have ever happened.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:50 pm to
No it's not. If someone breaks into your home you can kill them regardless of the reason for their intrusion .
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36417 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:51 pm to
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This guy shouldn't even be prosecuted.


Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:53 pm to
I'm surpised they didn't plant drugs on him after the fact.
Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
36691 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:54 pm to
I can't believe he is even being prosecuted
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:55 pm to
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No it's not. If someone breaks into your home you can kill them regardless of the reason for their intrusion


So you can tie them up and shoot them in the head if you want?

Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:55 pm to
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I'm surpised they didn't plant drugs on him after the fact.


They probably smoked them all.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20892 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:56 pm to
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I can't believe he is even being prosecuted


I don't think it's terribly surprising. Hell it will set a new precedent. Cops can defend themselves even when they break into your apartment. What could go wrong?
Posted by Markie812
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
2934 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:57 pm to
Considering the war on drugs is caused by big government it is somewhat to blame but the police not identifying themselves is more troublesome.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:59 pm to
It ain't no fun when they rabbit got the gun.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 10:59 pm to
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Considering the war on drugs is caused by big government
Yes, that's right. Once the government got to a certain size - they started rounding people up and throwing them in prison for drugs. It has absolutely nothing to do with people electing politicians who passed shitty laws - its only due to government's size.


Got it!

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 11:01 pm to
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So you can tie them up and shoot them in the head if you want?


Of course not idiot. You couldn't do that if they broke into your house and you were as clean as a whistle. It appears you can't help but post stupid shite.
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