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Asiata and Mckinnon, discussion on worth

Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:23 am
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:23 am
First of all, I guess we have to figure out how long Peterson is going to be out. It is a complex issue and difficult to figure out because the NFL is so freaking psycho when it comes to stuff like this.

Regarding the ray rice thing, he originally got a two game suspension and then, after the video came out, he got indefinitely suspended. There is photographic evidence of this. Peterson has never denied that he has done this. The league is concerned about public opinion. But at the same point there is the whole issue of punishment before guilt, which the nfl is pushing the boundary.

I wonder if the nfl and peterson might come to some agreement where he agrees to get some help and miss a certain number of games, even perhaps the rest of the year so that he can play all next year.

Or do you think Peterson would fight to play the rest of this year stretching this thing out till next year?

What does this mean for Asiata and Jerick Mckinnon? Well Asiata from what I have been able to find out is a decent back. He was an undrafted free agent who appears to be in very good shape this year. However, he was an undrafted free agent and has a pretty low ceiling talent level. This does not mean he can not be worth quite a bit fantasy wise, because simply getting the work is often over half the battle.

That being said, I would only take Asiata as a one week or maybe two week fill in. If you need a running back to fill in because perhaps you have tate and he got injured and you couldn't get West, well in that case you go ahead and take Asiata.

Long term, Asiata will likely be supplanted by their third round pick from this year Jerick Mckinnon. This guy is evidently a freak of an athlete. Nike has come up with a single number grade where they measure size,speed, strength, explosiveness, etc. It is called the SPARQ score. Elite nfl players measure in around 140. Freaks like megatron measure in at 150. Mckinnon is 147.5

What does it mean? The vikings will try to get this guy on the field as soon as possible. He used to play qb at an fcs school, but then he played everywhere there. He played different back positions, slot, qb, and heck, he even played cb. If AP is out for a bit of time, Mckinnon is your guy.

The question is who do you drop to pick these guys up.

As said, if you need someone for this week, the safe bet is Asiata. If you think Peterson is only out for this week, Asiata.

If you think Peterson is out for a while, and do not need a starter, the smart pick is Mckinnon.

But what do we mean here? Well, it depends upon the length of your bench and whom you have. Unless you are stocked at running back and are in a small league, I would seriously consider picking up Mckinnon. But whom do you drop for him?

I guess if you have low ceiling players that you can plug in, heck, I would drop them.

In our particular league, you only have two bench spots. Yes, it gets quite tricky with byes, because oftentimes you have to play without your some players. I think the short bench is almost too short, but if certainly makes the waiver more interesting, especially in a 14 team league.

So lets say you have a small bench, say two or three players. You can certainly drop many low ceiling players and even get them later if you need them. If Mckinnon blows up, you are made. I mean if you have Miles Austin, rb Stewart or Williams, etc you can drop these guys for the upside that Mckinnon may be.

But what if you already have high upside guys? Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are both upside guys. Perhaps you used your bench to draft high upside guys. In this case, what do you do?

Terence West? Third round pick. May not play much after Tate comes back. But a decent back. Not the same level of some of Hyde perhaps, or even Hill, but in that same discussion. Plus, he will play now.

It gets very interesting when you start to figure out whom to drop when you are talking with other potential high upside people.

Some say that Mckinnon is more of a workout warrior that we sometimes see. Others say he is an athletic freak that is rarely seen. Even if he is an athletic freak, we see that these types sometimes do not make it in the nfl.

I am thinking you keep Hyde over him. Without a doubt. After that, it gets a little more hazy. West has more immediate upside, so if you need someone short term, he is your man. If you are looking down the pike, and think Peterson is out for a while, well, Jeremy Hill or Mckinnon seems a much tougher choice.

I sometimes think that Hill has a higher floor and a lower ceiling, but not really. If he takes over Gio's spot, or Gio gets hurt, Hill could be a beast. Just how likely is that to happen versus how likely is Peterson out and Mckinnon actually works out.

What does the football board think about this?

What players would you drop for Mckinnon or Asiata? What is the likely impact Peterson is out for a while?

Posted by forksup
Member since Dec 2013
8817 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:30 am to
I dropped an extra wide receiver for Asiata. I'm going to replace Taliaferro with McKinnon after this Sunday for long term since the ravens played and he's locked on my bench. Just hope Sunday is a few test runs for McKinnon and then he breaks out the week after.

Bench comprises of Benjamin, Cooks, Evans, Cunningham, Jennings, Asiata, Taliaferro. Can't get ride of the other guys, I think too much upside for a MAYBE.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9947 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:30 am to
I am considering dropping Cutler. Our bench is only 4 spots, so it's tough to carry a backup QB. Russel Wilson is my starter now.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27072 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:31 am to
My bench in a 10 team PPR is currently Golden Tate, Pierre Thomas, Lamar Miller, Justin Hunter, Jay Cutler (went late on QB And drafted him and Brady, holding onto both for the moment), Justin Forsett (now locked for this week), and Josh Gordon.

Still don't know what I'm going to do with this situation.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9947 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:34 am to
In a 10 team league I would drop a backup QB as they don't have any trade value and you can find near replacement value on the waiver wire.

Would anyone else drop Cutler in a 12 team 0.5 ppr to pick up McKinnon? I have Wilson as my starter and my RB's are set with Ball Lacy and Ellington.

I just feel if McKinnon can win the starting job that's so much more valuable than a backup QB, especially with a 4 person bench (actually only 3 as Gordon is killing a spot)
This post was edited on 9/13/14 at 9:38 am
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 9:54 am to
mckinnon can not pass protect.. he will never play much if he doesnt learn

asiata had 3 tds in one game last yr and can protect the qb
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 10:26 am to
Mckinnons big problem right now is just learning his role.

Pass protection, route running, patience with the running game. These all take time. However, Asiata is not explosive or really talented. He is a plodder that will get you points only on volume. Plus if he is not sharing the backfield with anyone, he is strong.

No doubt short term Asiata is the start. But how about three weeks down the line? Mckinnon is a former qb who was switched all over the place in college, so he likely isn't stupid.

How long will it take for him to become ok at pass protection? Even if not, if he stays in for running snapps, he is still worth it.

Some are saying Peterson will lose low end six games just based on the domestic abuse policy they have. It could be all year.

In this case, if you stash Jeremy Hill, do you drop him and pick up Mckinnon? Hill likely has a decent ceiling.

I am torn. I am in 14 team league with only 2 bench spots. qb,rb,rb wr,wr,flex,k, def.

with only two bench spots, it is tough to hold onto someone. Now that being said, Mckinnon could be a beast down the road. By week six, he could be it. Jeremy Hill likely is still time sharing with Gio at best.

I'm guessing dropping Hill would make sense here, though he is in line for more carries and could in fact vulture the majority of the tds.

It is a tough call here. The only other bench spot I have is Carlos Hyde, who is a flex option now.

Tough call. Right now I have Peyton, Foster, West, Hunter, Cook, Hyde and Hill. I suppose I could cut West, but he has a pretty high upside these next three weeks till the bye and tate comes back. Hyde or Hill could be the rb2 and keep Mckinnon on the bench.

Seems like a heck of a lot of ifs to hold onto Mckinnon for something that may not happen for Hyde. But what about Hill? West is kind of needed for this week as rb2. Tough choice.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278454 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 10:30 am to
quote:

mckinnon can not pass protect.. he will never play much if he doesnt learn




He's too dynamic to not play at this point. Asiata just isnt good enough to carry them 100%.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 10:39 am to
quote:

He's too dynamic to not play at this point. Asiata just isnt good enough to carry them 100%.


I agree with this sentiment. However, where do you place him? I would hold him over a second qb.

I would stash him over a bench player replacement.

He is high risk, high reward type of player. I wouldn't drop Hyde for him. I am not dropping Hilton, Cooks, or Hunter.

Given only two bench spots, it gets tricky. I think holding 3 and 4 rbs and wrs are good. That way you have an injury replacement if needed.

So, West is rather needed this week. I love getting someone for long term upside, but I think West is going to get points. Now one could say that Hunter is likely to get some points. Maybe enough to hold you over. West is likely a short term player at this point. Hell, if they have Crowell vulture again, West is unlikely to be much better than Hill or Hyde.

Hill is a solid back. He is that inside running threat that the bengals can use. He could be vulturing tds in the future. He could be used in the passing game as well.

So, its between west, Hill, and Mckinnon. I hold onto two. who do I cut?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278454 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 10:52 am to
will you ever play West?

prob not. Not to mention, Tate is only out 2-4 then Crowell is looming as well. And he plays in a shitty offense.

I think his value is being exaggerated.


Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27072 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 10:58 am to
quote:

In a 10 team league I would drop a backup QB as they don't have any trade value and you can find near replacement value on the waiver wire.


I just counted, and there are 19 owned QB in my league. Now, we both know that shouldn't be the case, but as long as Drew Brees' owner is carrying Phillip Rivers as a backup, I have to be very careful with my QB situation.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 11:01 am to
quote:

I just counted, and there are 19 owned QB in my league. Now, we both know that shouldn't be the case, but as long as Drew Brees' owner is carrying Phillip Rivers as a backup, I have to be very careful with my QB situation.


No, you don't. Just because everyone else is being stupid doesn't mean you have to be as well.

You know I would start Locker over many of the qbs on rosters likely this week. If you lose a Manning or a Brees, your season is pretty crippled regardless.

For the bye week, you could pick up a locker.

I would cut him and pick up Mckinnon.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 11:05 am to
quote:

will you ever play West?

prob not. Not to mention, Tate is only out 2-4 then Crowell is looming as well. And he plays in a shitty offense.

I think his value is being exaggerated.


Actually He is starting for me this weekend. I figure he is better than Hill or Hyde, this weekend.

I may be over valuing West for this weekend as I stated. But west has a lower floor than Hyde or Hill. Mckinnon isn't even in the discussion for now.

So I need a rb2 for this week. I cut Jackson and picked up West.

I understand that West is a 3 week starter. Do I cut him, hold onto Hill and hyde and start one of them and hold Mckinnon? Just not a bunch of roster spots.

Hell, even if I had another, I might just stash the Eagles Mathews because I figure he is going to be doing well by the end of the year. Mckinnon is dynamic as hell. He is a potential huge player. But I need him to learn the running back position quickly. I need him to pass by Asiata which shouldn't be difficult. And I need Peterson to be out for many weeks.

Its a tough call.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82032 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 11:07 am to
People in 10 team leagues or 12 team leagues with limited bench spots scrambling to get these guys will be disappointed especially McKinnon...he's not worth picking up IMO.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278454 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 11:12 am to
the thing is with leagues like that, you can take a gamble on a guy like McKinnon. And if you need someone immediately, you can drop him and just add someone because the free agents are much better. 2 bench spots is lame though. Takes a lot of the fun out of it.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14833 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 11:19 am to
quote:

the thing is with leagues like that, you can take a gamble on a guy like McKinnon. And if you need someone immediately, you can drop him and just add someone because the free agents are much better. 2 bench spots is lame though. Takes a lot of the fun out of it.


I agree with you.

And my thought is I would prefer to go with West this week than Hyde or Hill.

The question is do I prefer Mckinnon to Hill long term?

Or is Hill or Hyde good enough to start this week and just cut West loose and pick up Mckinnon?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27072 posts
Posted on 9/13/14 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

No, you don't. Just because everyone else is being stupid doesn't mean you have to be as well.


It's not necessarily a backup issue. I have Brady and Cutler and currently have no idea if one, neither, or both are going to be worth a damn. I'd rather hold onto both of them for the time being until that sorts itself out, and picking up a lottery ticket isn't worth it to me.
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