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Global warming was worth it
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:28 pm
Interesting "quality of life" argument from The Federalist.
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This, I think gets at the uneasy to non-existent responses people get when asking alarmists what solutions we ought to pursue. They don't want to talk about solutions because, invariably, they are going to be extremely painful for a large part of the world (read: the poor).
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Is progress a good thing? Generally speaking, it seems like an easy question – unless, that is, you’re in the “sustainability movement.”
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So if, for some reason, you embrace a “narrative” that says the rise of laissez faire economics – and the resulting efficiency and technological advancements – were moral because they freed millions from poverty and made modern life possible, you’re not thinking clearly.
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As Indur M. Goklany meticulously explores in his excellent book “The Improving State of the World,” in recent decades we have made the world a lot cleaner, healthier and livable for humans. And we did so without surrendering much wealth or freedom. I suppose it makes me a technoutopian to trust that we can adapt and create ways to deal with whatever consequences – and obviously there are consequences – a thriving modern world drops on us. Historically speaking, though, would it have been better for humanity to avoid an “Age of Pollution” and wallow in a miserable pre-Industrial Age, where poverty, death, disease and violence, were far more prevalent in our short miserable lives? Or would we have chosen global warming? I think the latter. And I think we’d do it again.
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This, I think gets at the uneasy to non-existent responses people get when asking alarmists what solutions we ought to pursue. They don't want to talk about solutions because, invariably, they are going to be extremely painful for a large part of the world (read: the poor).
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:29 pm to GoBigOrange86
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They don't want to talk about solutions because, invariably, they are going to be extremely painful for a large part of the world (read: the poor).
Flooding is pretty painful for the poor, too.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:30 pm to GoBigOrange86
Why do they hate poor people so much?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:31 pm to GoBigOrange86
I loved the warming last winter. Hope we get some more of it this season.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
The rich run all the plants and factories, so they're the ones that hate the poor.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:33 pm to Vols&Shaft83
No one really likes poor people. Let's not kid ourselves.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:33 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Why do they hate poor people so much?
Because they use things like oil and gas to get to their jobs and heat their homes and care for their families when they should really just get Priuses and gigantic solar panels like normal pro-environment people.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:34 pm to TT9
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Therich run all the plants and factories, so they're the ones that hate the poor.
By giving them an income in exchange for services?
Oh TT9, you're so silly
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:34 pm to Vols&Shaft83
No, by polluting our air.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:35 pm to GoBigOrange86
Yeah that Global Warming really hit the north hard yesterday! Fricking snowing on Sept. 11th.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:36 pm to TT9
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No, by polluting our air.
Did you read the OP? Or are you just being a simple bastard again?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:36 pm to TT9
By providing energy sources that people need to live?
Pollution is bad. So is a massive downgrade in quality of life because it will necessarily hit the poor harder. There has to be some kind of a balance.
Pollution is bad. So is a massive downgrade in quality of life because it will necessarily hit the poor harder. There has to be some kind of a balance.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:37 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Remember.....
Good Vols&Shaft. No more name calling. You have to be nice.
Good Vols&Shaft. No more name calling. You have to be nice.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:39 pm to GoBigOrange86
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So if, for some reason, you embrace a “narrative” that says the rise of laissez faire economics – and the resulting efficiency and technological advancements – were moral because they freed millions from poverty and made modern life possible, you’re not thinking clearly.
What is this, I don't even.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:40 pm to TT9
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No, by polluting our air.
Let's just shut down the factories, everything will be fine as the poor die off from lack of income or energy.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:41 pm to TT9
You shut your mouth!!!
This place isn't the same without Vols.
This place isn't the same without Vols.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:42 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
Bill Gates of the 18th century is only marginally less well off than the bill gates of today. Everyone has seen their lives improve dramatically.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:42 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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You shut your mouth!!!
Just talkin' about Shaft (,Vols&)
Posted on 9/12/14 at 2:44 pm to GoBigOrange86
SooooooooBig!!!!!
Stop polluting the environment.
Stop polluting the environment.
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