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How would arming rebels in Syria have stopped ISIS?

Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:25 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35408 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:25 pm
McCain wants an apology because he claims to have been right (and Obama wrong) in wanting to arm Syrian rebel groups. I don't get it. Wasn't ISIS a Syrian rebel group? Wasn't the concern that we would be arming Al Qaeda affiliates?

And while we are at it, if we left 3K troops in Iraq, how would that have prevented the rise of ISIS?

McCain wants an apology
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:27 pm
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
35637 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

McCain wants an apology because he claims to have been right (and Obama wrong) in wanting to arm Syrian rebel groups. I don't get it. Wasn't ISIS a Syrian rebel group?

Wasn't the concern that we would be arming Al Qaeda affiliates?

And while we are at it, if we left 3K troops in Iraq, how would that have prevented the rise of ISIS?
Propaganda is very difficult to keep up with.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95754 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:31 pm to
McCain needs to STFD and STFU.

The "moderate Syrian rebels" sold at least one of the beheaded journalists to ISIS and are responsible for a fleet of 60 US-provided trucks being acquired by ISIS.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48412 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:33 pm to
McCain's strongest point is that Obama's precipitate withdrawal from Iraq created the opportunity for ISIL to rise in Iraq.

Do you dispute that, had US military forces remained in Iraq, ISIL would not have conquered most of Iraq?

McCain's weaker point is that arming some rebel faction in Syria would have destroyed ISIL. But, how can you logically bash McCain alone for this idea when Obama just last night said that the USA was going to plan to arm some rebel faction in Syria ?
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Zed
Member since Feb 2010
8315 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 4:42 pm to
If "moderate" rebel groups made up a majority of the rebels in the beginning of the war, before hardline islamists poured in from outside Syria, and we had armed them early and sufficiently, perhaps they could have defeated Assad and competing rebels. I have no idea if this was possible, but as it wasn't seriously attempted, one can't simply dismiss it.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35408 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 5:40 pm to
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If "moderate" rebel groups made up a majority of the rebels in the beginning of the war, before hardline islamists poured in from outside Syria, and we had armed them early and sufficiently, perhaps they could have defeated Assad and competing rebels. I have no idea if this was possible, but as it wasn't seriously attempted, one can't simply dismiss it.
I can't dismiss it, but someone can't claim that it was a mistake to not have. Especially when it is stated as a matter of fact.

The United States doesn't have a good track record of picking the "moderates" out of the litter.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35408 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 5:50 pm to
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Do you dispute that, had US military forces remained in Iraq, ISIL would not have conquered most of Iraq?
Depends on the number. McCain seemed to be saying that it was possible to leave 3K. And it would have been a group for advising and training, not really boots on the ground. I think such a small force would have been an attractive target for ISIS.

It would be McCain's stronger point, but I am not completely sold on it... I think that we would have needed a larger force including "boots" and that would have been costly in so many ways.
quote:

McCain's weaker point is that arming some rebel faction in Syria would have destroyed ISIL. But, how can you logically bash McCain alone for this idea when Obama just last night said that the USA was going to plan to arm some rebel faction in Syria ?
That is the one part of Obama's new plan that I am not in agreement with. I don't think it was the best idea a few years ago, and I don't think it is today either.
Posted by Zed
Member since Feb 2010
8315 posts
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:06 pm to
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I can't dismiss it, but someone can't claim that it was a mistake to not have. Especially when it is stated as a matter of fact.
I don't disagree. Hillary and McCain have both done it.
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