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How would we react to another 9/11?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:27 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:27 am
I think most of us feel that we would want to take a more measured response to a large-scale act of terrorism. That we have learned something from 9/11 and it's aftermath.
But personally I don't know how I would feel if it actually happened again. I don't know how liberal NY or SF would react if their friends and relatives were dead from something like this. I don't know what Obama/Hillary/Republican Prez would do.
It's easy now to claim we would be smarter about it, but I don't think we would be.
Glenn Reynolds yearly on 9/11 links his blog posts from 9/11/01. I read through a bunch of them today and it was remarkable how quickly my emotions from that day were brought back to the surface. Not so much the raw anger, but just the weight of what happened. Also made me feel that I have basically forgotten it for all intents and purposes.
Instapundit 9/11/01
It's interesting to start from the bottom of the link (9/9/01). Scrolling up is ominous.
I don't know how familiar you all are with Instapundit (probably you are very), but I don't think anyone could say he's the type to overreact. His posting are representative of the mood IMO.
I just think we've been lulled into sleep again. I don't think liberals, conservatives, or libertarians have figured out what we're supposed to do about the enemies who are still planning to attack us in worse ways than they did on 9/11.
But personally I don't know how I would feel if it actually happened again. I don't know how liberal NY or SF would react if their friends and relatives were dead from something like this. I don't know what Obama/Hillary/Republican Prez would do.
It's easy now to claim we would be smarter about it, but I don't think we would be.
Glenn Reynolds yearly on 9/11 links his blog posts from 9/11/01. I read through a bunch of them today and it was remarkable how quickly my emotions from that day were brought back to the surface. Not so much the raw anger, but just the weight of what happened. Also made me feel that I have basically forgotten it for all intents and purposes.
Instapundit 9/11/01
It's interesting to start from the bottom of the link (9/9/01). Scrolling up is ominous.
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GEORGE BUSH IS NOW THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE WORLD: People always say that about Presidents, of course, but usually it's only notionally true. Now, if he wants to nuke Baghdad, there is nobody to say him nay -- and damned few who would want to.
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VIRGINIA IS MAD. So am I. Hell, so is everyone. And the TV footage of jubilant Palestinians just proves what I've always suspected -- they just don't get it. They'll learn. Oh, how they'll learn. Even if it turns out that this was done by the Chinese, or disaffected high school students, their jubilation will be long remembered. The American role as "mediator" in the Middle East is over.
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THE PRESS COVERAGE on all this seems to focus on horror and tragedy. I don't think it's capturing how angry people are. Foreigners always forget just how mad Americans get when they're pissed off. The dominant tone I'm getting is pissed off. Even the usually-pacifistic intellectuals are adopting a hard line.
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ARAB COUNTRIES that want to escape the consequences had best start sucking up to Bush right away, and handing over the culprits' heads on a platter (perhaps literally). This isn't like Lockerbie, or any previous event. It's war.
I don't know how familiar you all are with Instapundit (probably you are very), but I don't think anyone could say he's the type to overreact. His posting are representative of the mood IMO.
I just think we've been lulled into sleep again. I don't think liberals, conservatives, or libertarians have figured out what we're supposed to do about the enemies who are still planning to attack us in worse ways than they did on 9/11.
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Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:32 am to uway
Depends on a lot of things, scope, perpetrators, but if its proven they came across the Southern Border, I expect things will get very interesting.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:33 am to uway
I would like to think we wouldn't be so quick to offer up even more of our freedoms in the name of safety, but, sadly, I'm probably wrong.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:34 am to uway
With the current NCA/ Foreign policy team?
America's done.
America's done.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:34 am to uway
quote:That seems to be the big concern a lot of Americans have... at least those of us who can connect dots and can recognize a determined enemy who can and does take many forms (al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS/ISIL, certain Mexican drug cartels, Iran, et al). Something they have going for them that while their memories are long and sharp, what most Americans lack is a long memory for revenge. We are the original nation of short attention spans - distract us with a good domestic political fight and an economic downturn and we forget there is a world out there in a heartbeat.
we've been lulled into sleep again. I don't think liberals, conservatives, or libertarians have figured out what we're supposed to do about the enemies who are still planning to attack us in worse ways than they did on 9/11.
I don't think another 9/11 will happen like the first. I think it will be different, and likely far worse.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
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With the current NCA/ Foreign policy team?
America's done
Yeah. Okay. I'm sure Bush would make it all better.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:38 am to The Third Leg
If something like that happened today, like literally today. i would blame Obama.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:39 am to uway
conservatives would blame obama and talk about golfing and red lines and the country would not come together as it did after 9/11. it would be ugly.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:40 am to CptBengal
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If something like that happened today, like literally today. i would blame Obama.
Exactly. Even if it were a cheap shot out of left field Obama would be blamed.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:41 am to SirWinston
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conservatives would blame obama and talk about golfing and red lines and the country would not come together as it did after 9/11. it would be ugly.
Because he's a dilettante, unprepared, uninterested leader and he is not a uniter.
Bush, for however brief a time he had, was a decisive, uniting leader - (probably through 2004).
The people he chose (and chose to listen to) to implement the plan, particularly in Iraq, failed him, miserably. That's no excuse, because he was the guy at the top. But it is what it is.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:42 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:42 am to Ace Midnight
More red lines? 
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:46 am to uway
The nation would come together again IMO. We are a vastly different nation now for a lot of reasons, but we are still Americans and we would still come together.
That said, though I view the Bush presidency as a failure overall, I do think that his general nature and demeanor in the direct aftermath of 9/11 helped bring the country together.
He also enjoyed the benefit of being a new president. Obama has so much water under the bridge and has proven time and time again to be ineffective and late to the party, that he would be quite easy to blame.
I think he would have his hands full, through fault of his own and no fault of his own, in stepping in and uniting the nation. I think any threats he would make for revenge would be viewed with skeptical eyes, even by his most staunch supporters.
In the end though, at least for a few months, we would stand united in spite of our leadership and political differences.
That said, though I view the Bush presidency as a failure overall, I do think that his general nature and demeanor in the direct aftermath of 9/11 helped bring the country together.
He also enjoyed the benefit of being a new president. Obama has so much water under the bridge and has proven time and time again to be ineffective and late to the party, that he would be quite easy to blame.
I think he would have his hands full, through fault of his own and no fault of his own, in stepping in and uniting the nation. I think any threats he would make for revenge would be viewed with skeptical eyes, even by his most staunch supporters.
In the end though, at least for a few months, we would stand united in spite of our leadership and political differences.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:46 am to Ace Midnight
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Because he's a dilettante, unprepared, uninterested leader and he is not a uniter.
Bush, for however brief a time he had, was a decisive, uniting leader - (probably through 2004).
But ummm… no terrorist attacked in 6+ years of Obama PLUS he's droned the F out of tons of terrorists and presided over UBL raid.
worst terrorist attack in history under Bush - no catching of UBL, etc.
I know that's patently unfair and simplistic, but so is your blaming of Obama in this hypothetical situation.
The President doesn't directly (or indirectly for all I know) run the CIA or empower local NYPD or Chicago PD to snuff out threats. There's TONS of gray area in this scenario and the instinct to blame Obama (or Bush for that matter) is offensive and wrong.
I was actually a Republican under 9/11 and I was impressed how the country came together. I'm scared that the same wouldn't happen again as we've become so much more politicized.
This post was edited on 9/11/14 at 9:49 am
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:49 am to SirWinston
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I know that's patently unfair and simplistic
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:50 am to uway
quote:The same way we reacted to the first one and the same way we react to everything. We would turn on our TVs and dutifully obey every command and believe every word and hate whomever we are instructed to hate.
How would we react to another 9/11?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:51 am to SirWinston
Obama has done an admirable job with the drones is taking out terrorists. Of course, he has killed a lot of innocent people as well which has continued to inflame the ME, but no one can deny that he has not killed a bunch of known terrorists with drones.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:55 am to SirWinston
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I was actually a Republican
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:56 am to SirWinston
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no terrorist attacked in 6+ years of Obama
Fort Hood
Boston Marathon
Benghazi
etc.
(When you declare something to not be terrorism - it doesn't make it not terrorism.)
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:57 am to Ace Midnight
Oh, brother.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 9:58 am to The Third Leg
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Oh, brother.
You said it.
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