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Is the South China Sea on the brink of war?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:43 pm
Very informative video regarding the Spratly Islands.
Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Malaysia all control islands in the South China Sea, which is believed to hold large deposits of oil and natural gas. In 2012, China declared the region a "core national interest," and it has been increasingly aggressive in asserting control over it, deploying an aircraft carrier in 2013, and moving an enormous oil rig into the area earlier this year.
Short verge article on China building islands
Want to know why we started shifting Naval forces to the Pacific? Oil. Here's a place where war could break out between nations of the world. All over Oil. The video is 30 minutes long but it is very informative.
The New York Times did a piece on it about six months ago...visually fascinating:
New York Times
Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Malaysia all control islands in the South China Sea, which is believed to hold large deposits of oil and natural gas. In 2012, China declared the region a "core national interest," and it has been increasingly aggressive in asserting control over it, deploying an aircraft carrier in 2013, and moving an enormous oil rig into the area earlier this year.
Short verge article on China building islands
Want to know why we started shifting Naval forces to the Pacific? Oil. Here's a place where war could break out between nations of the world. All over Oil. The video is 30 minutes long but it is very informative.
The New York Times did a piece on it about six months ago...visually fascinating:
New York Times
This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 2:46 pm
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Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:46 pm to asurob1
It sickens me that Obama hasn't tried to ally the US with Vietnam. China is handing them to him on a platter, but he won't do anything.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:47 pm to TN Bhoy
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t sickens me that Obama hasn't tried to ally the US with Vietnam. China is handing them to him on a platter, but he won't do anything.
I wonder how much of that is still ill-feelings towards the only nation in the world that beat us in a war?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:48 pm to asurob1
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I wonder how much of that is still ill-feelings towards the only nation in the world that beat us in a war?
Probably some, but I'd disagree with the bold part of your sentence.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:53 pm to TN Bhoy
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Probably some, but I'd disagree with the bold part of your sentence.
Sadly, I would have a hard time characterizing it as anything but a loss. Whatever goals we set for that war, we certainly did not accomplish them.
Have no doubt, if we had the political willpower we could have easily won that war. But proxy wars tend to go that way.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 2:57 pm to asurob1
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But proxy wars tend to go that way.
It's not a proxy war when you lose over 58,000 soldiers
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:02 pm to asurob1
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Have no doubt, if we had the political willpower we could have easily won that war. But proxy wars tend to go that way.
If Nixon had not limited the Cambodian incursion to 12 miles or whatever it was. We would have forced North Vietnam into a peace deal similar to what NK signed. Damn pussy arse hippies.
As far as current southeast asia, I can't believe that Vietnam and the US and Japan haven't had any kind of talks to hold China at bay. Just allowing Japan to rearm would solve alot of the problem.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:04 pm to asurob1
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Sadly, I would have a hard time characterizing it as anything but a loss.
I don't know if that's what he was getting at...
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Probably some, but I'd disagree with the bold part of your sentence.
me thinks he's saying we've lost more than just one war as a nation
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:09 pm to WeeWee
quote:We're not the problem here, Japan is.
Just allowing Japan to rearm would solve alot of the problem.
LINK
LINK
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One of the paradoxes of Japanese politics is that the postwar pacifist charter became more popular with the nation it was imposed on than with the one that imposed it. As far back as the 1950s Washington was ready to see Japan rearm and share more of the burden in the Cold War. But Japan embraced its new identity as a peace nation. Article 9 was interpreted to allow a limited Self-Defense Force, but one barred from any belligerent fighting. As a result, the US alliance with Japan is highly asymmetrical — American forces are pledged to defend Japan if it is attacked, but the responsibility doesn’t go the other way.
Security-minded Japanese leaders have tried to change Japan’s defense policy, but until recently Article 9 has been an untouchable barrier.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:13 pm to asurob1
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Is the South China Sea on the brink of war?
No.
China is being a pain in the arse right now, though.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:29 pm to GetCocky11
All we gotta do is stop buying China's shite. Problem solved. We fund their economy and they steal all of our intellectual property but the dumbasses in DC won't stop spending money we don't have long enough to just let China implode on itself if they'd lose their biggest market.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:29 pm to asurob1
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Sadly, I would have a hard time characterizing it as anything but a loss.
I was saying the US has lost more than once.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 3:47 pm to TN Bhoy
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I was saying the US has lost more than once.
Oh?
Revolutionary War a win
War of 1812 a win
Civil War a win
Mexican-American war a win
Spanish-American war a win.
WW1 a win
WW2 a win
Korea was a draw.
Vietnam a loss
Cold War a win
Gulf War 1 a win
Gulf War 2 a win
Afghanistan a win
So I am not sure what other war you are referring to?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:02 pm to asurob1
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The New York Times did a piece on it about six months ago...visually fascinating:
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:07 pm to asurob1
quote:We did not win 1812. And we won Vietnam. The war was over, a treaty was signed. Dems made sure we didn't uphold our end of the treaty. History.
Oh?
Revolutionary War a win
War of 1812 a win
Civil War a win
Mexican-American war a win
Spanish-American war a win.
WW1 a win
WW2 a win
Korea was a draw.
Vietnam a loss
Cold War a win
Gulf War 1 a win
Gulf War 2 a win
Afghanistan a win
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:13 pm to asurob1
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Gulf War 2 a win
Afghanistan a win
Iraq was a win, but the Obama admin has let it fall back into the toss up cartegory and the same will happen with Afganistan
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War of 1812 a win
that was a draw. If it hadn't been for the Battle of New Orleans we would look at that war and say wtf were they thinking.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:28 pm to asurob1
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deploying an aircraft carrier in 2013, and moving an enormous oil rig into the area earlier this year.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:30 pm to asurob1
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Afghanistan a win
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:39 pm to Iosh
Japan doesn't want to rearm because they enjoy us spending money on protecting them instead of them funding a military
Posted on 9/10/14 at 4:42 pm to Iosh
Japan engaged the Dutch, UK and USA on 12/7/41 over the same issue in this same area. Hopefully everyone learned a lesson from that experience and will figure out a way to resolve the matter.
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