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FATCA has pretty much beaten the entire Global Financial System

Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 12:40 pm
into total submission.

Pretty amazing really. A law issued by the U.S. has basically caused every financial institution in the world to do exactly what it says at a collective cost of billions.

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“If FATCA were a Greek God, it would be Zeus, ruler of heaven and earth, throwing lightning bolts at the ground and causing it to shake with such fury as a Magnitude 10 earthquake.”

What is most amazing about this law is not the impact that it has on Americans – although that is considerable – but its impact on the world.

Never before has a U.S. tax law attempted such an astonishing reach. And for those naysayers who predicted the demise of FATCA before it was even out of the womb, shrewd diplomacy by President Obama and his Treasury Department have proven them wrong.

What is all of the buzz about FATCA? What can it accomplish that tax treaties and other government-information gathering tools can’t? FATCA requires foreign banks to reveal the names and accountholder information of Americans with accounts over $50,000. Because non-compliant institutions could be saddled with onerous penalties and isolated from U.S. markets, financial institutions have become as submissive in their willingness to comply with FATCA as a Labrador Retriever who rolls on its back after being given a treat. Very simply, virtually every financial institution is complying.

2. Countries Around the World are Complying. More than 80 nations – including all of the industrialized nations in the world and thus, those that matter the most – have agreed to the law. So far, over 77,000 financial institutions have also signed on. Countries must fully support the law or face serious repercussions. Even tax havens have joined up. The IRS website features a searchable list of financial institutions. Countries on board can be found at FATCA – Archive.

3. Even Our Arch Nemeses Russia and China Have Agreed to FATCA. If you think money anywhere can escape the IRS, you are sadly mistaken. Even notoriously antagonistic countries like China and Russia have signed on. Which one is more amazing? In light of recent events and the chilling diplomacy that exists between the countries, probably Russia. The U.S. and Russia were negotiating a FATCA deal until March, 2014, but Russia’s annexation of Crimea caused the house to come tumbling down and for the U.S. to suspend talks.

This meant Russian financial institutions were all but guaranteed to be isolated from U.S. markets. Unwilling to sit back and allow this to happen on his watch, President Vladimir Putin signed a law in the eleventh hour allowing Russian banks to send American taxpayer information to the U.S., thus satisfying the U.S. Treasury.

4. FATCA is America’s Big Stick. There is a famous proverb that says, “Speak softly and carry a big stick.” It means do not boast or use verbal threats but do make others aware that you are prepared to use physical force if necessary. It was used by President Theodore Roosevelt as an expression of his view of foreign policy. Today, FATCA is America’s big stick.

Indeed, FATCA’s onerous 30% withholding tax and exclusion from U.S. markets sends a strong message to those who may be tempted not to comply. Very simply, the combination of these two penalties packs a powerful “one-two” punch that would be nothing short of catastrophic for a foreign financial institution with U.S. clients. Specifically, foreign financial institutions must withhold a 30% tax if the recipient doesn’t provide information about U.S. account holders. The choice is clear, and it’s no small wonder why everyone is complying.

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98474 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:04 pm to
So...Obama and the Dems pass a law in 2010 that basically tells other countries "frick you and your sovereignty (and your banking laws)," there's money to be had!!!!

But, GWB is why the world hates the USA.

Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:39 pm to
It's also why citizens are giving up their citizenship in record numbers. Long term this law will hurt Americans and the American economy.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48099 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:42 pm to
amazes me you are in the industry.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:48 pm to
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Countries Around the World are Complying. More than 80 nations – including all of the industrialized nations in the world and thus, those that matter the most – have agreed to the law. So far, over 77,000 financial institutions have also signed on. Countries must fully support the law or face serious repercussions. Even tax havens have joined up. The IRS website features a searchable list of financial institutions. Countries on board can be found at FATCA – Archive.
This is a no lose proposition for other countries. They can collect the same information from their financial institutions without any political costs. They like having the information, and they can just blame the United States for imposing the requirement.

What this also shows is that there is no real risk of, or desire for, the U.S. dollar being replaced as the standard currency for international trade.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:48 pm to
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amazes me you are in the industry.


I'm pretty sure the more regulation, the more his services are needed.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67006 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 1:48 pm to
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It's also why citizens are giving up their citizenship in record numbers. Long term this law will hurt Americans and the American economy.


This
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:13 pm to
True. And as far as regulation on a global scale goes, FACTA may be the King of all regulation. Ever.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:16 pm to
While it is a major reason, probably the biggest reason people aregiving up U.S. citizenship, it is isn't going to hurt the economy or tax revenues at all.

The reason the people who are giving it up due to FATCA is because they weren't reporting and paying taxes on the foreign assets in the first place. Which is why they want to give up the citizenship. The IRS is about to find out about them next year.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90498 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 2:34 pm to
But many of those people may run businesses and corporations here, and them leaving could cost jobs here.

Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4586 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:26 pm to
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While it is a major reason, probably the biggest reason people aregiving up U.S. citizenship, it is isn't going to hurt the economy or tax revenues at all.

Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.
There are issues now with companies trying to conduct overseas operations or having employees overseas that maintain local accounts. Many are now unable to get overseas banking help due to these regulations.
News Flash, onerous regulations cost jobs.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:40 pm to
How did Gazprom react?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

quote:While it is a major reason, probably the biggest reason people aregiving up U.S. citizenship, it is isn't going to hurt the economy or tax revenues at all. Wrong.Wrong.Wrong. There are issues now with companies trying to conduct overseas operations or having employees overseas that maintain local accounts. Many are now unable to get overseas banking help due to these regulations. News Flash, onerous regulations cost jobs.


No son. I am right and you are talking about something totally different. Get your shite together.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:52 pm to
haha you know he's right. Cuz we have to hire people like you and waste our money when we've done nothing wrong.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:56 pm to
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But many of those people may run businesses and corporations here, and them leaving could cost jobs here.


Not really. If they are successful individuals, they would be subject to the exit tax on their entire net worth which prevents a lot from doing so.

Additionally, they have to sign documents under penalties of perjury that they are 100% compliant on all income tax reporting including foreign assets for the past 5 years. Considering the IRS will find out if they are not starting next year (thanks to FATCA), they would really get fricked if they expatriated and signed documents under penalties of perjury.

Only people expatriating because of FATCA are the green card holders, dual citizens that already live over seas and the small fish that don't matter anyway. And even a lot of those are coming forward and paying several years of back taxes right now to get ahead of FATCA.
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4586 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:58 pm to
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No son

Oops there it is.
The son card.
That somehow wins you the argument right?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:58 pm to
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haha you know he's right. Cuz we have to hire people like you and waste our money when we've done nothing wrong.


You ain't gotta do shite buddy.

If I got zero new work for the next 6 months, I would still have more than I can do.

And I had plenty before FATCA as well.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 4:59 pm to
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That somehow wins you the argument right?


There isn't an argument between you and I. Just a correction.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123780 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:01 pm to
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FATCA has pretty much beaten the entire Global Financial System
into total submission.
So do you view that as good? bad? or simply self-serving?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 9/2/14 at 5:07 pm to
I don't really have an opinion on good or bad.

It just is what it is.

And what it is, is a law that has created worldwide transparency with financial institutions.
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