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Cops are your Friends. Only the guilty should fear cops.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:46 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:46 am
watch a man get harassed for literally doing nothing wrong
he's waiting for his kids
however, this is a perfect example of why i advise my clients (and i will advise you all): don't give them a reason
once we get cops scared enough to fear the laws they claim to enforce, then i'l' withdraw my advice
a stupid situation like this created by overzealous cops who hate freedom can easily take a step or 2 that leads to your death
eric garner resisted arrest and he died as a result.
if cops won't or can't video their interactions, then we need a return (or expansion) of cop watch
he's waiting for his kids
however, this is a perfect example of why i advise my clients (and i will advise you all): don't give them a reason
once we get cops scared enough to fear the laws they claim to enforce, then i'l' withdraw my advice
a stupid situation like this created by overzealous cops who hate freedom can easily take a step or 2 that leads to your death
eric garner resisted arrest and he died as a result.
if cops won't or can't video their interactions, then we need a return (or expansion) of cop watch
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:48 am
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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if cops won't or can't video their interactions,
I've said before, many, many jurisdictions are scrambling for body worn video.
Heck, we have dashboard cams as the norm now.
Like anything 98% of the cops don't fear their work being filmed... it's 2% that cause problems that do.
About the norm for any industry or group of people.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Happens every day.
ETA: Wathced the video. Dumbass admits to having Marijuana.
ETA: Wathced the video. Dumbass admits to having Marijuana.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Minnesota City Pages identified the man, who spoke to them, as Chris Lollie. He was arrested for "disorderly conduct" and "obstructing the legal process," and was charged with those crimes as well as trespassing. They were, unsurprisingly, all dropped. Police insist they were dealing with an "uncooperative male refusing to leave" and said there were no complaints filed after the incident (many incidents of police brutality can go unreported), which happened in January but video of which only emerged online this month. The YouTube user who posted claims the cellphone was seized for six months (likely the length of time before charges were dropped and the "investigation" ended).
This is so wrong. So. Wrong.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:53 am to Meauxjeaux
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Heck, we have dashboard cams as the norm now.
Tell that to rural north Louisiana parishes.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
I've had enough "bad police experiences" while hanging out with a black friend in college and again later when I was starting my first job to know that there are way too many bad/racist cops.
If I were a young black male I bet you I'd have mouthed off and gotten arrested by now. Cops are the worst. Pulling me over for having a black guy in my car and searching my car for NO reason. Still makes my blood boil.
If I were a young black male I bet you I'd have mouthed off and gotten arrested by now. Cops are the worst. Pulling me over for having a black guy in my car and searching my car for NO reason. Still makes my blood boil.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:59 am to SirWinston
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If I were a young black male I bet you I'd have mouthed off and gotten arrested by now
If this was happening to you as a white man, and you suggest that it did, then what prevented you from mouthing off to the police as you are? Why would you have to be trandformed black in order to take a verbal stand?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:00 am to FalseProphet
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ETA: Wathced the video. Dumbass admits to having Marijuana.
It's a shame that he did because that will detract from the overall problem which is police escalating situations that don't need to be escalated.
This reminds me of the Sam Montgomery video where the cop said "NFL!?!? You're going to jail" so matter of factly. This male cop just walks up and says "you're under arrest" without any knowledge of the situation. And that female cop was such a beta, letting him dictate the situation and not saying "whoa whoa I'm not sure if THAT'S necessary..."
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:01 am to Meauxjeaux
Watched the video.
I see reprimands, retraining and possible firings.
Lady cop to get retrained. First male cop possibly fired. Second male cop, reprimanded.
That kind of activity is bs and most police will tell you they would not get to that point.
Now, the flip side is that once the second cop was becoming authoritative and telling the man to submit to cuffs, he should have submitted to cuffs.
Getting handcuffs does not = going to jail. It was probably bullshite for that to escalate to that point, but cuffing = detaining for officer safety. Once cuffed, de-escalation could have happened and then he could have been released.
Again, pretty much bullshite that it started and then got to that point.
I see reprimands, retraining and possible firings.
Lady cop to get retrained. First male cop possibly fired. Second male cop, reprimanded.
That kind of activity is bs and most police will tell you they would not get to that point.
Now, the flip side is that once the second cop was becoming authoritative and telling the man to submit to cuffs, he should have submitted to cuffs.
Getting handcuffs does not = going to jail. It was probably bullshite for that to escalate to that point, but cuffing = detaining for officer safety. Once cuffed, de-escalation could have happened and then he could have been released.
Again, pretty much bullshite that it started and then got to that point.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:He got in a verbal altercation with a shop owner. When the police came to investigate he refused to identify himself.
watch a man get harassed for literally doing nothing wrong
I know that in Minnesota they don't have a stop and identify law but when you are involved in an altercation and an investigation is conducted I am pretty sure you have to identify yourself.
If he gave his name none of this would have happened. When he refused the cops probably believed he may have been trying to avoid a warrant.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:02 am to Holden Caulfield
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Why would you have to be trandformed black in order to take a verbal stand?
Cause racial profiling....
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:03 am to Meauxjeaux
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Getting handcuffs does not = going to jail.
Why don't cops SAY this? That should be protocol for an iffy situation. "I need to cuff you for everybody's safety. This does NOT necessarily mean that you're going to jail" or something to that effect.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:do you still think this is a cop thing instead of a race thing?
Cops are your Friends.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:04 am to mmcgrath
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I know that in Minnesota they don't have a stop and identify law but when you are involved in an altercation and an investigation is conducted I am pretty sure you have to identify yourself.
If he gave his name none of this would have happened. When he refused the cops probably believed he may have been trying to avoid a warrant.
Would you admit that the officers did a horrible job of handling this and that the situation could have probably been diffused by ANY sort of reasonable or calming action by ANY of the officers? "Protect and Serve" doesn't meen "domineer and escalate each situation" which is what all of the police in the recent videos have done. They've all needlessly escalated situations to their worst possible outcomes. That's bad policing.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:05 am to Meauxjeaux
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Heck, we have dashboard cams as the norm now.
Depending on what happened, they sometimes function intermittently. (First I was told the dashcam had never worked, and then the supervisor told me I'd need a court order to get it.)
This is a case of Mr Smartass meeting Mr&Ms Badass. Those situations never work out well and should be avoided.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm at the point where I can't watch these anymore because they make my fricking blood boil. Just like that, in a matter of seconds, your life can be completely flipped upside down. Arrested and charged with felonies, forever on your record. Forever gracing your job applications. All for absolutely nothing but an egregious abuse of power. Sickening and scary because it is all too commonplace and can happen ANYONE at ANYTIME whether or not you're actually doing anything wrong.
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:08 am to taylork37
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Cause racial profiling
That's BS
If you're being harrassed by cops as a white man and say nothing what's the point of saying "if I were black I'd say something?"
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:09 am to mmcgrath
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watch a man get harassed for literally doing nothing wrong
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He got in a verbal altercation with a shop owner. When the police came to investigate he refused to identify himself.
Really? Then it's like Ferguson all over again... the story is 100% different from what was put out there first for me to read.
In that case, lady cop acted properly as well as did all the others.
I mean, it's literally a night and day difference.
In this case, I'd say he got lucky he was black because it's likely the reason his charges were dropped. And all of those charges were legit.
This post was edited on 8/29/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:10 am to Tigah in the ATL
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...a cop thing instead of a race thing?
In my opinion, a race thing. A shop owner does not want him waiting outside of their shop (race based). Then the police are called and the rest unfolds.
I know as a white male, 1) the shop owner would not have asked me to move on and 2) the police would not have questioned me.
This was wrong. Period. If the police can question you over a simple complaint then what is to stop us from using them to harass each other? A low level version of "swatting" each other?
Posted on 8/29/14 at 9:11 am to Meauxjeaux
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Getting handcuffs does not = going to jail. It was probably bullshite for that to escalate to that point, but cuffing = detaining for officer safety. Once cuffed, de-escalation could have happened and then he could have been released.
I fail to see how putting an innocent man in chains de-escalates the situation.
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