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Another reason for hostility to police in Ferguson.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:01 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:01 am
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To understand some of the distrust of police that has fueled protests in Ferguson, Mo., consider this: In 2013, the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses, mostly driving violations.
A new report released the week after 18-year old Michael Brown was shot and killed in Ferguson helps explain why. ArchCity Defenders, a St. Louis-area public defender group, says in its report that more than half the courts in St. Louis County engage in the "illegal and harmful practices" of charging high court fines and fees on nonviolent offenses like traffic violations — and then arresting people when they don't pay. The report singles out courts in three communities, including Ferguson.
Thomas Harvey, who started the organization to provide legal services to the poor in the St. Louis region and is the lead author of the report, says residents, especially in Ferguson, have come to see the use of fines and fees as a way for courts to collect money from residents who are often the least able to pay.
"Folks have the impression that this is a form of low-level harassment that isn't about public safety. It's about money," he says.
The ArchCity Defenders report argues that this resentment is justified. Last year, Ferguson collected $2.6 million in court fines and fees. It was the city's second-biggest source of income of the $20 million it collected in revenues.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:14 am to Jim Rockford
So to sum up your story. Black man gets a ticket. Does not pay ticket. Gets warrant issued . And that is why they are mad at the police.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:22 am to Jim Rockford
That happens everywhere. And yes it is bs. But you know that's not what the hostility was about.
I've paid a fair amount in fines, or face jail time.
Ya, there are corrupt police, corrupt government officials, plenty of evidence of such. There are plenty of criminals as well.
I completely understand the distrust. I try not to break the law, seems to be the only thing I can do for myself. I don't have much control over anything else.
I've paid a fair amount in fines, or face jail time.
Ya, there are corrupt police, corrupt government officials, plenty of evidence of such. There are plenty of criminals as well.
I completely understand the distrust. I try not to break the law, seems to be the only thing I can do for myself. I don't have much control over anything else.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:23 am to graves1
did you read the post?
The city, and by the city, I mean police, makes it's money by harassing people. Then arresting them when they cannot pay.
This is the city using the police to force people to pay for their budget or go to jail.
This has nothing to do with shooting, except to frame the larger story in the community.
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The ArchCity Defenders report argues that this resentment is justified. Last year, Ferguson collected $2.6 million in court fines and fees. It was the city's second-biggest source of income of the $20 million it collected in revenues.
The city, and by the city, I mean police, makes it's money by harassing people. Then arresting them when they cannot pay.
This is the city using the police to force people to pay for their budget or go to jail.
This has nothing to do with shooting, except to frame the larger story in the community.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:23 am to Jim Rockford
Shoot. Ferguson is a minor league player in the St. Louis ticket racket.
But this is a common problem. Once an amount of ticket revenue has been generated, it cannot go down to any degree. Next year's budget will be predicated in part on the amount of ticket revenue that can be generated. And therein lies the problem. It incentivizes the distribution of justice.
But this is a common problem. Once an amount of ticket revenue has been generated, it cannot go down to any degree. Next year's budget will be predicated in part on the amount of ticket revenue that can be generated. And therein lies the problem. It incentivizes the distribution of justice.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:26 am to graves1
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:27 am to novabill
Are the police officers making them drive faster than the speed limit? Are the police officers making them park where they shouldn't park? Let's make excuses. Personal responsibility is overrated anyway.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:29 am to graves1
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Personal responsibility is overrated anyway.
So police don't selectively enforce speed limits? Or is that ok as long as one can claim "personal responsibility" when the police do choose to enforce the law?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:32 am to 2close2Gainesville
Anger towards authority is THE reason for all rioting.
Those rioters don't give a damn about Brown the person. And it ain't all about race.
They are mad about rules, like a kid throwing a tantrum.
Those rioters don't give a damn about Brown the person. And it ain't all about race.
They are mad about rules, like a kid throwing a tantrum.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:32 am to graves1
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Are the police officers making them drive faster than the speed limit? Are the police officers making them park where they shouldn't park? Let's make excuses. Personal responsibility is overrated anyway.
Speed limits are kind of arbitrarily enforced. Usually if you don't go more than 5 over, you're good. When traffic enforcement becomes the focus of the local PD, I'd say the residents have a reason to be a little upset.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:33 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:33 am to the808bass
Do they selectively enforce speed limits? Or is this just another excuse?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:34 am to graves1
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Do they selectively enforce speed limits? Or is this just another excuse?
Are you playing dumb now?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:35 am to Jim Rockford
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the municipal court in Ferguson — a city of 21,135 people — issued 32,975 arrest warrants for nonviolent offenses
Haha. Gotta love the police. Getting that revenue.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:36 am to the808bass
If you drive faster than the speed limit it is your fault. No excuses.
I have received five tickets in my 20 plus years driving. And not one time have I blamed the cops or the city government for it.
I have received five tickets in my 20 plus years driving. And not one time have I blamed the cops or the city government for it.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 12:39 am
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:38 am to graves1
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If you drive faster than the speed limit it is your fault. No excuses.
So if the police let off everyone who has a friend in the department or parole/probation officers or other off duty cops, that's cool.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:40 am to the808bass
That's not my problem. Personal responsibility .
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:42 am to graves1
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That's not my problem. Personal responsibility .
So you're fine with an unequal application of justice in the interest of personal responsibility. An interesting approach.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:42 am to graves1
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If you drive faster than the speed limit it is your fault. No excuses. I have received five tickets in my 20 plus years driving. And not one time have I blamed the cops or the city government for it.
If they want to, the police can find a reason to ticket you literally every time you get behind the wheel. Too fast, too slow, following too close, impeding the flow of traffic, not coming to a complete stop, tire touches a yellow line, etc.
And generating revenue gives them the incentive.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:43 am to graves1
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That's not my problem. Personal responsibility .
You can believe the above, while still recognizing the system of revenue generation in disguise as citizen protection is in need of reform.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 12:44 am to the808bass
If everyone took responsibility for their own actions it would be a better world.
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