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Democrats are worried about 2016

Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:05 pm
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:05 pm
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Everyday we get at least two posts, and often more, telling us how Hillary is inevitable, the best choice, and the only choice for Democrats. We get polling that nobody has the name recognition. We get polling about how Democratic Insiders and strategists are so excited about a Hillary Nomination that they are changing their underwear hourly. We had the campaign against Rick Perry pretty much mapped out and plotted. We could beat him with Hillary, no problem.

Now, Rick Perry is out, Christy is out. Who does that leave? Bush White House take three? No way that people get behind Jeb. Too much of one family. That my friends leaves the policy wonk Paul Ryan, or Rand Paul. The old boys network would prefer Paul Ryan, but they will figure out pretty quickly that they'll have more luck trying to moderate Rand than get Ryan elected at all.



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Paul will win the early contests, and have momentum going into the rest of the states. His message is pretty simple, and worse, it feeds on and is encouraged by recent events. In other words, the Republican Candidate is on the Populist side of the issues. The populist side that could very well indicate the voters desires.

While Hillary is running to the right of McCain on foreign issues, Paul is going a different direction. Worse his ideas are going to resonate with the electorate. We've been at war with Terror since 9-11-2001 and people are sick of it. That's why there was no support for going into Syria. That's why President Obama suffered another drop in public approval when he started bombing ISIS. People are getting sick of it. After twelve years of bombing, and casualties, and diplomatic efforts, we're no closer to an end game than we were on 9-12-2001. Rand Paul's arguments that we need a policy of non intervention and allow people to sort out their own problems is liable to find a receptive audience. Military families tired of watching Mom or Dad or the Son or Daughter go off to fight and possibly not come home are liable to get on board. The argument Hillary will put forth that we must do this for security has been heard so often that nobody is going to buy into it. None of that has worked, so let's try something new will be the thoughts a lot of people will have.

Let me explain. Rand has a libertarian view on the drug war. He'll start with Legalizing Marijuana. People in Colorado will be interviewed and talk about all the tax revenue collected from the legalized sale of Marijuana. The public is generally pretty split on the issue, but they will probably fall on the legalize side of the issue, especially when there are a flood of drug war ruined my life over a joint news stories. So Rand will pick up support there, while Hillary will be going conservative to get the law and order vote.

Militarization of the Police. Rand has opposed it for a while, and Hillary has been silent. So the best case is she can say during the debates that she agrees with Rand Paul and his long held beliefs that she was late coming to the party about militarization of the police. Worst Case she takes the attitude that cops need that crap to protect us, or something, in an effort to shore up the law and order and conservative votes.

Either way, the Base of the Democratic Party will find themselves agreeing with Paul, and either arguing that the Conservative path is the right one to get the Democrat in the White House, thus selling out their core beliefs, or will argue that Paul is wrong about how he's doing it but right about what he wants to do. That last one loses us the White House by the way.

So let's look at the Economy. Paul has been a vocal opponent of bailing out wall street. Guess what, Occupy Wall Street was a vocal opponent. So who hasn't been a vocal opponent? Hillary because that would lose her the corporate sponsors she needs to stuff the war chest full of cash for the run.

Well, there's the NSA, which Paul has been a vocal opponent of, and Hillary has been supporting.


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So to summarize. The Republican candidate will be on the Progressive side of many issues, while the Democratic Candidate will be on the regressive side of the issues. Now you're going to scream that Paul will destroy the Department of Education, slash Welfare, social security, and destroy a woman's right to choose.

The problem is that people will be willing to risk those issues to get action on the other ones. The message is going to be nothing else has worked, two administrations of bombing suspected terrorists and five thousand American Service members are dead and nothing has changed to make us more secure. Anyone want to bet that Paul doesn't use the phrase whack a mole to describe the effort against ISIS/ISIL?

So if we run the inevitable Hillary, we cede the White House to Rand Paul. Because there is no way we can out Conservative the Republicans. The Conservatives will either vote Republican, or stay home. The Liberals will vote Democratic, or stay home. It's the moderates, the folks in the middle. They'll be choosing between more of the same, and something new. What do you think they will choose?


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This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 8:06 pm
Posted by constant cough
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2007
44788 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:06 pm to
They should worry more about November. Or I guess they've already written that one off.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55494 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 7:15 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80160 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:17 pm to
Yeah, I'm not reading all of that... I'll just take your word for it.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32096 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:18 pm to
They should be.....but let's not kid ourselves, they've picked an inexperienced junior senator with almost no voting record over Hillary once. I'm sure they'll choose another nobody because he or she looks like the kind of minority that they are trying to take advantage of.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:20 pm to
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Democrats are worried about 2016
In your opinion is there anyone besides Rand Paul that they should be worried about?
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 7:23 pm
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55494 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:20 pm to
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they've picked an inexperienced junior senator with almost no voting


I like Paul, but this could also be used to describe him.
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
37334 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:24 pm to
I have zero faith in American voters anymore. The blind mutes can see and hear how bad the democrats have screwed up politics the last eight years. I also don't have any faith in our voting system anymore. How do we truly know and trust the electorate results we see in our POTUS elections?

We take the word of the federal government that is funded by the tax paying citizens that just so happens to target their own revenue sources for their own just cause. The same federal government that has made a complete mockery of everything its touched the last 100 years, aside from the military. Meanwhile, we sit here and continue to take the jabs on the chin for some reason unbeknownst to me.

America has lost her way. If HRC is the next POTUS, there's no way we will ever get out of the Bush/ Obama years. Bush had some bad policies, but he was dealt a bad hand from the Clinton years. He was and still is a damn fine American that loves his country. No one can say the same for Obama or Hillary. A vote for Hillary is cause for treason, IMO.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22386 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:30 pm to


Replace this guy with Rand and you have your answer. I don't think Rand Paul can get the nomination.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35406 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:32 pm to
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He was and still is a damn fine American that loves his country.
He was a politician with no other job skills and should be judged on what he did in office. The hero worship of Bush is unbelievable based on how lousy he was.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55494 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:36 pm to
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Replace this guy with Rand and you have your answer. I don't think Rand Paul can get the nomination.



I'm a much bigger fan of Ron than Rand, but Rand is a much better politician. His chances of securing the nomination are certainly possible, perhaps probable given certain events, whereas there was never any real chance of Ron getting it.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22386 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:41 pm to
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I'm a much bigger fan of Ron than Rand, but Rand is a much better politician. His chances of securing the nomination are certainly possible, perhaps probable given certain events, whereas there was never any real chance of Ron getting it.


Rand, just like his dad, does not have the party establishment behind him. I expect the establishment to push someone like Jeb Bush.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18310 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:43 pm to
Jeb is not realistic. The establishment wanted bush over Reagan and pops was a hell of a lot better on paper.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22386 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:50 pm to
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Jeb is not realistic. The establishment wanted bush over Reagan and pops was a hell of a lot better on paper.


If Rand were to get the nomination, I don't believe he can, it would be a struggle to wrestle power away from the establishment. I just don't see it.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
22022 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:51 pm to
Please edit your post and remove all but 2-3 paragraphs. That is wayyyy too much of a copy and paste job
Posted by CC
Western NY
Member since Feb 2004
14864 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 7:54 pm to
I would love to see Rand drag the GOP kicking and screaming back to their alleged platform.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:36 pm to
I don't know what's more incredible, Rand bringing the house down at Berkeley or Rand getting love from the Democratic Underground.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90653 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:38 pm to
2016 will be an interesting election if it's Rand vs Hillary.

HIllary isn't a progressive like Obama. She has no principles or ideology she just follows the money and political winds. Liberals won't be excited to vote for her and she knows this..that's why she is tacking to the right to try to gain support from independents and that's going to be her death knell.

Rand will dominate with the young vote, get the typical conservative voters, and do well with moderates. He might could even pick up a few liberal voters who dislike the GOP for their stance on social issues
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34686 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:41 pm to
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He was a politician with no other job skills and should be judged on what he did in office. The hero worship of Obama is unbelievable based on how lousy he was.



Easiest FIFY EVER!
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34686 posts
Posted on 8/24/14 at 9:43 pm to
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I would love to see Rand drag the GOP kicking and screaming back to their alleged platform



fricking THIS. I would love to see the Republicans DO exactly what they SAY they stand for.
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