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Tex Winter was an assistant under Dale Brown?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:52 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:52 am
I know this is random, and maybe everyone here already knew it, but I just read tonight that the '86 Final Four team had a JV team coached by Tex Winter.
Winter, of course, was Phil Jacksons assistant for all 9 of his NBA titles with the Bulls and Lakers. those teams all ran the triangle offense, which Winter invented. other teams have tried to run it but failed, in large part because they didn't have Winter to teach it.
I think of Dale Brown as a charismatic leader, a "big picture" guy, who needed strong assistants to do the actual teaching. how did we have Browns motivational skills and Winters gift for details and execution, on the same bench at the same time, and ever lose a game?
Winter, of course, was Phil Jacksons assistant for all 9 of his NBA titles with the Bulls and Lakers. those teams all ran the triangle offense, which Winter invented. other teams have tried to run it but failed, in large part because they didn't have Winter to teach it.
I think of Dale Brown as a charismatic leader, a "big picture" guy, who needed strong assistants to do the actual teaching. how did we have Browns motivational skills and Winters gift for details and execution, on the same bench at the same time, and ever lose a game?
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 7:41 am
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Posted on 8/20/14 at 2:08 am to MastrShake
Tex could wear a hole in the chalkboard, but at the end of the day,It was Dale's team, and his imprint on the team's persnality. I love Dale, but as a technical coache, he had his shortcomings.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 2:31 am to MastrShake
quote:yep, and Tommy Casanova was on the cover of SI and still made All American.
Tex Winter was an assistant under Dale Brown?i know this is random, and maybe everyone here already knew it, but i just read tonight that the 86 final four team had a JV team coached by Tex Winter.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 4:41 am to MastrShake
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the 86 final four team had a JV team coached by Tex Winter.
Tex was an assistant at LSU (I think) in 83? He stayed only one year and was not part of the '86 Final Four team.
LSU hasn't had a JV team since the early 70s.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 5:20 am to Jim Rockford
quote:. People always say stuff like this be I have yet to see a specific example.
Tex could wear a hole in the chalkboard, but at the end of the day,It was Dale's team, and his imprint on the team's persnality. I love Dale, but as a technical coache, he had his shortcomings.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:06 am to Ponchy Tiger
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. People always say stuff like this be I have yet to see a specific example.
I remember TV games where in timeouts, the camera would show Dale giving a motivational speech instead of drawing up plays. It was his style, and it worked most of the time. But he wasn't an X's and O's guy, and it wasn't an X's and O's team.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:33 am to HonoraryCoonass
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Tex was an assistant at LSU (I think) in 83? He stayed only one year and was not part of the '86 Final Four team. LSU hasn't had a JV team since the early 70s.
I was trying to find something on the origin of "Who Dat", which I somehow remember as being affiliated with LSU basketball even though I was just a little kid in '86.
point being, the wiki page for that team has a citation saying:
"There was a Junior Varsity team that only got play 3 Games 1985-1986 season under Coach Tex Winter (creator of Triangle Offense and a great man) Something should be put on here, Photo, article of him, something to show honor to a tremendous Coach. I played for that Team and he deserves to be mentioned."
there's no attribution for this so you may be right, i have no idea. obviously anyone can edit wiki but the entire article about the team is literally two sentences long. if you were gonna choose a page to randomly edit with half-truths, this one seems like a weird choice.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:38 am to Jim Rockford
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I remember TV games where in timeouts, the camera would show Dale giving a motivational speech instead of drawing up plays. It was his style, and it worked most of the time. But he wasn't an X's and O's guy, and it wasn't an X's and O's team.
I'm tired of seeing X's & O's anytime there is a post about basketball coaching. Some of you people are so stupid.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:42 am to T
It's a figure of speech, man.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:50 am to Jim Rockford
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It's a figure of speech, man.
it's really not. X's and O's are literally what coaches write on a whiteboard or whatever when drawing up plays and teaching, which is the exact thing you were talking about. if "T" has a problem with that, than "T" is a moron.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 8:09 am to MastrShake
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X's and O's are literally what coaches write on a whiteboard or whatever when drawing up plays and teaching,
on this board people like to call coaches like trent Johnson an x's & o's coach because he sucked at everything and the games were boring, but hey, he had a dry erase board.
these x's & o's guys as yall call them are typically the ones who try to control the game by calling timeouts after every possession in the final 30 seconds of games trying to draw up plays which rarely get run or are the trent Johnson types who show no emotion and can't recruit so they musty know how to draw up plays.
the phrase is overused.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:27 am to T
Tex left after only one yr, the story goes, because he discovered pretty fast DD was not going to let him have any imput offensively. It was not a friendly parting by any means. LSU's loss, typical DD shite.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:32 am to Jim Rockford
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People always say stuff like this be I have yet to see a specific example.
quote:
I remember TV games where in timeouts, the camera would show Dale giving a motivational speech instead of drawing up plays. It was his style, and it worked most of the time. But he wasn't an X's and O's guy, and it wasn't an X's and O's team.
I remember a bunch of examples. Dale was a great motivator, but a terrible X and O coach.
One specific example was against Florida. Ten seconds left, we're down by one, with the ball. Dale calls timeout.
The camera is in the huddle the entire time, and all Dale did was give a "pump up" speech and said "let's go win this game, we can do it!"
He didn't draw up a play or discuss matchups, offensive sets, etc.
Of course, we didn't score and lost that game.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:33 am to Keltic Tiger
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It was not a friendly parting by any means. LSU's loss, typical DD shite.
The gymnastics coach ran Tex Winter off?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:41 am to Ponchy Tiger
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Tex could wear a hole in the chalkboard, but at the end of the day,It was Dale's team, and his imprint on the team's persnality. I love Dale, but as a technical coache, he had his shortcomings.
. People always say stuff like this be I have yet to see a specific example.
Tex Winter invented the triangle offense.
Dale Brown's contemporaries noted his technical shortcomings.
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Bobby Knight (who hated Dale Brown) said after Indiana came back after being down 12 points with 12 minutes left, "I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance."
Need any more specific examples, let me know. You can now claim you've seen one, though.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:44 am to MastrShake
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I was trying to find something on the origin of "Who Dat", which I somehow remember as being affiliated with LSU basketball even though I was just a little kid in '86.
That was the 81 team with the "Who Dat" song. Ethan Martin, Howard Carter, Rudy Macklin, Leonard Mitchell, etc.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 10:56 am to therick711
I am getting old and memory is shot but thought he was brought in to help Shaq with FT shooting more than any other reason
Posted on 8/20/14 at 11:04 am to LC412000
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I am getting old and memory is shot but thought he was brought in to help Shaq with FT shooting more than any other reason
Brought him in 6 years too early for that.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 11:15 am to therick711
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Draconian Sanctions re: Trent Johnson (Posted on 1/8/13 at 6:54 pm to accnodefense)Trent is a good X's and O's coach and an abysmal recruiter.
LINK
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RonBurgundyquote:
this
this is just one post and you even posted in it. there are plenty of other threads where posters claim he was a good x & o guy but bad recruiter.
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