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Gulf Shores police chief rips Mizzou Captain in charge a new arse

Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:29 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:29 pm
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Chief Ed Delmore | Sunday, August 17, 2014

I have to call you out.

I don’t care what the media says. I expect them to get it wrong and they often do. But I expect you as a veteran law enforcement commander—talking about law enforcement—to get it right.

Unfortunately, you blew it. After days of rioting and looting, last Thursday you were given command of all law enforcement operations in Ferguson by Governor Jay Nixon. St. Louis County PD was out, you were in. You played to the cameras, walked with the protestors and promised a kinder, gentler response. You were a media darling. And Thursday night things were better, much better.

But Friday, under significant pressure to do so, the Ferguson Police released the name of the officer involved in the shooting of Michael Brown. At the same time the Ferguson Police Chief released a video showing Brown committing a strong-arm robbery just 10 minutes before he was confronted by Officer Darren Wilson.

Many don’t like the timing of the release of the video. I don’t like that timing either. It should have been released sooner. It should have been released the moment FPD realized that Brown was the suspect.

Captain Johnson, your words during the day on Friday helped to fuel the anger that was still churning just below the surface. St. Louis County Police were told to remain uninvolved and that night the rioting and looting began again. For much too long it went on mostly unchecked. Retired St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch tweeted that your “hug-a-looter” policy had failed.

Boy did it.

And your words contributed to what happened Friday night and on into the wee hours of Saturday. According to the St. Louis Post Dispatch, you said the following regarding the release of the video: “There was no need to release it,” Johnson said calling the reported theft and the killing entirely different events.

Well Captain, this veteran police officer feels the need to respond. What you said is, in common police vernacular—bullshite. The fact that Brown knew he had just committed a robbery before he was stopped by Officer Wilson speaks to Brown’s mindset. And Captain, the mindset of a person being stopped by a police officer means everything, and you know it.

Let’s consider a few examples:
On February 15, 1978 Pensacola Police Officer David Lee conducted a vehicle check. He didn’t know what the sole occupant of the vehicle had recently done, but the occupant did. Who was he? Serial killer Ted Bundy. Bundy attempted to disarm Lee. Lee was able to retain his firearm and eventually took Bundy into custody.

On April 19, 1995 Oklahoma State Trooper Charlie Hangar stopped a vehicle for minor traffic violations. He didn’t know that 90 minutes earlier the traffic violator, Timothy McVeigh, killed 168 people with a truck bomb at the Murrah Federal Building. But McVeigh sure knew it, didn’t he? Fortunately, given his training and experience Hangar was able to take McVeigh into custody for carrying a concealed firearm. It was days later before it was determined that McVeigh was responsible for the bombing.

On May 31, 2003 then-rookie North Carolina police officer, Jeff Postell, arrested a man digging in a trash bin on a grocery store parking lot—an infraction that would rise to about the level of jaywalking. Postell didn’t know that he had just captured Eric Rudolph, the man whom years earlier had killed and injured numerous people with bombs and was on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list.

So now, let’s consider Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson’s stop of Michael Brown. Apparently Wilson didn’t know that Brown had just committed a strong-arm robbery. But Brown did! And that Captain, is huge.

Allegedly, Brown pushed Wilson and attempted to take Wilson’s gun. We’re also being told that Officer Wilson has facial injuries suffered during the attempt by Brown to disarm him. Let’s assume for a moment those alleged acts by Brown actually occurred. Would Brown have responded violently to an officer confronting him about jaywalking? Maybe, but probably not.

Is it more likely that he would attack an officer believing that he was about to be taken into custody for a felony strong-arm robbery? Absolutely.

Officer Wilson survived the encounter with Brown as did Lee, Hangar, and Postell. Michael Brown didn’t survive and it’s too soon to say if Officer Wilson’s use of deadly force was justified and legal. You and I both know that not all officers survive such confrontations. Officers die in incidents like this Captain Johnson, including a couple that I remember from your own organization:

On April 15, 1985 Missouri Trooper Jimmie Linegar was shot and killed by a white supremacist he and his partner stopped at a checkpoint; neither Trooper Linegar nor his partner were aware that the man they had stopped had just been indicted by a federal grand jury for involvement in a neo-Nazi group accused of murder. The suspect immediately exited the vehicle and opened fire on him with an automatic weapon.

Just a month before, Missouri Trooper James M. Froemsdorf was shot and killed—with his own gun—after making a traffic stop. When the Trooper made that stop he didn’t know that the driver was wanted on four warrants out of Texas—But again the suspect knew it.

So Captain Johnson, I guess the mindset and recently committed crimes of the suspects that murdered those Missouri Troopers didn’t mean anything. The stops by the Troopers, as you have said, are entirely different events right?

bullshite.


Open letter from one cop to another.

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This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 6:30 pm
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

Chief Ed Delmore


Is a massive piece of dawg shite for trying to insert himself into this. A stamp cost less than 50 cents if you want to send someone a letter. This is an attention whore that can't control himself.
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:38 pm to
He is correct. I'm tell ya what,and this worries me,let one of these cops in Ferguson get killed tonight or another night,they then will have a huge problem. They will have white people by the thousands show up there and the shite will get very real. I truly hope this doesn't happen. If it does, many will die before it's over. Thanks politicians and reporters. If it does,the politicians and reporters should be required to keep staying right in the middle of it. This has gotten so far out of hand,this would have been investigated,but no the fricking race baiting frickers the media and politicians including the President had to throw gas on the fire.
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:40 pm to
I mean a 7 yr old was killed in Baton Rouge this weekend and a 2 and 4 yr old put in critical care in New Orleans last week end by drive bys. fricking babies! And where are the cameras and politicians for the babies! This is so fricking sick.
Posted by livewire
Member since Aug 2008
999 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:41 pm to
The very simple fact that the "new guy in charge", on the day that the video of MB's strong-arm robbery was released, didn't even think to protect just THAT ONE STORE from looters, is reason enough to relieve him of his duties.
If the looters were going to show up anywhere that night, it was there. Had they set up a "sting" at that location, I'll bet a few less businesses would have been looted in the days to follow.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:42 pm to
I agree. What purpose does an open letter serve other than to further inflame racial tensions?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:43 pm to
Disagree. Normally I would, but this is a media circus. Being quiet won't get you heard. You have to play the game.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

A stamp cost less than 50 cents if you want to send someone a letter.


he needed to be called out publicly.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9604 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

This is an attention whore that can't control himself.



Uhm, I think you have him confused with Johnson, who has done nothing but preen for the cameras, instead of enforcing the law.

Saw an interview with him today. He's scared now. He knows he's let it get out of hand.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:46 pm to
quote:

I agree. What purpose does an open letter serve other than to further inflame racial tensions?


Calls out a guy that needs to be called out IMO.

This is an ongoing situation and maybe being called out for bad decisions will force him to make better ones going forward.

Called accountability.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:48 pm to
quote:

He is correct. I'm tell ya what,and this worries me,let one of these cops in Ferguson get killed tonight or another night,they then will have a huge problem. They will have white people by the thousands show up there and the shite will get very real. I truly hope this doesn't happen. If it does, many will die before it's over. Thanks politicians and reporters. If it does,the politicians and reporters should be required to keep staying right in the middle of it. This has gotten so far out of hand,this would have been investigated,but no the fricking race baiting frickers the media and politicians including the President had to throw gas on the fire



Whether he is correct or not makes no difference, just because you are right does not mean you should say somthing especially publicly. Other than calling attention to himself just what does the Gulf Shores, Alabama police chief hope to accomplish here?
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:48 pm to
Val Demings, the former Orlando Police Chief, was just on MSNBC heaping praise on Ron Johnson. I guess just like a lot of other issues, this is braking down along racial lines even among law enforcement. By the way, I know it's not relevant, but she's one well-preserved 57-year-old woman.



Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:49 pm to
Also, worth noting:

quote:

Delmore, a 32-year law enforcement veteran who spent most of his career leading St. Louis area departments until becoming the Alabama beach city's top cop in 2010, is usually reserved but in his open letter he holds nothing back, ripping Johnson's handling of the tense and controversial situation.


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Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27304 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

Is a massive piece of dawg shite for trying to insert himself into this. A stamp cost less than 50 cents if you want to send someone a letter. This is an attention whore that can't control himself.

He knows that Johnson knows it's all bullshite. He said that several times.

Which is the point of the open letter.. to make sure others who read it know what Johnson is doing is bullshite.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

Calls out a guy that needs to be called out IMO.

This is an ongoing situation and maybe being called out for bad decisions will force him to make better ones going forward.

Called accountability.



It's kinda like standing up at someones wedding and talking about how good a lay the bride is. It may be true but is it the time and place for the conversation? Other than calling attention to yourself at the wedding what would the point be
?
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

Val Demings, the former Orlando Police Chief, was just on MSNBC heaping praise on Ron Johnson. I guess just like a lot of other issues, this is braking down along racial lines even among law enforcement.


Well, I disagree with her assessment and think it is part of the problem within the black community - namely letting defense of a fellow black person take precedent over reality.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123781 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

I guess just like a lot of other issues, this is braking down along racial lines even among law enforcement.
Johnson is getting good reviews across the board. Several of the Gulf Shores police chief's criticisms had nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson, though the Gulf Shores nitwit apparently thought otherwise.
Posted by livewire
Member since Aug 2008
999 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:52 pm to


Tyler Perry?
Posted by livewire
Member since Aug 2008
999 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

Several of the Gulf Shores police chief's criticisms had nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson


What about mine above?

Also, what about Johnson saying "we need the help of people like this", referencing Malik Shabazz?
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

Delmore, a 32-year law enforcement veteran who spent most of his career leading St. Louis area departments until becoming the Alabama beach city's top cop in 2010, is usually reserved but in his open letter he holds nothing back, ripping Johnson's handling of the tense and controversial situation.



Seems like a pretty big demotion, wonder if he is welcome back? If so he should go do something about the problem instead of laying on the beach criticizing others.

quote:

spent most of his career leading St. Louis area departments


Judging by the St. Louis crime rates he died not do a very good job.
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