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Homeowners sue Philly D.A. over seizure of Property via Forfeiture
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:04 pm
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Plaintiffs Markela and Chris Sourovelis embrace as they stand beside attorney Darpana Sheth during a Tuesday news conference about a federal lawsuit alleging that the City of Philadelphia has been seizing and selling millions in property from city residents, including those not charged with crimes. MATT ROURKE / Associated Press
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Christos Sourovelis already considered May 8 - the day he dropped his son off for a stint in court-ordered rehab - as one of the worst in his life. Then, it got worse.
That afternoon, more than a month after police arrested their son for selling $40 worth of drugs outside of their house in the city's Somerton section, Sourovelis received a frantic call from his wife. Officers had returned, and this time they were looking to take their home.
So began his family's introduction to the city's civil forfeiture dragnet - a program ostensibly aimed at depriving drug traffickers of cash, cars and other fruits of their crimes but one increasingly under a microscope for cases like Sourovelis', in which homeowners never accused of anything still face eviction from houses only tangentially related to a crime.
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"The Philadelphia District Attorney's Office has turned this tool into a veritable machine, devouring real and personal property from thousands of residents, many of whom are innocent, and converting that property into a $5.8 million average annual stream of revenue," said Darpana Sheth, a lawyer with the Virginia-based Institute for Justice, a nonprofit public-interest law firm with libertarian leanings.
The lawsuit, filed Monday in a federal court in Philadelphia, alleges that the city's Public Nuisance Task Force makes millions each year in a Kafkaesque system designed to grind down or trick often innocent property owners until they give in or make procedural missteps that can result in the loss of their property.
The plaintiffs seek only a nominal $6 in damages each, but have asked a judge to shut down the city's civil forfeiture program on constitutional grounds. Their lawyers are seeking class-action status for the case.
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Proceeds from seized properties are funneled back to local prosecutors and police. And unlike criminal cases, which must be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt," the civil route offers prosecutors many advantages.
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Proceeds make up almost 20 percent of the annual budget of the District Attorney's Office. Forty percent pays for prosecutor salaries, including those of the lawyers involved in forfeiture proceedings. Critics say those numbers create a clear profit motive for city prosecutors to pursue forfeiture actions at all costs.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:07 pm to Sentrius
This is a major problem. The fact the city of Philadelphia under Nutter is essentially broke offers just the right climate to expand this bullshite.
I hope they win, but knowing our "justice" system, they won't.
I hope they win, but knowing our "justice" system, they won't.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:08 pm to Sentrius
This is an evil practice that needs to go the way of the dodo bird. Like virtually nearly every gov't program, it started out with good intentions but slowly over time, gov't officials have abused for nefarious means and the result is citizens lives being ruined. It's a program that has done way more harm than good.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:11 pm to CptBengal
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I hope they win, but knowing our "justice" system, they won't.
The justice system tries to be fair but they are motivated by profit and personal gain. Power corrupts. This needs to go back to the SCOTUS for a second try but they ruled 6-3 on a similar case because frick criminals.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:16 pm to Sentrius
It's the ivory tower effect. It exists in all entrenched positions of authority.
No person, EVER, is that selfless and independent minded.
That's why decentralization, and minimal power to those positions is the only solution. A bit cheesy, but who watches the watchers.
No person, EVER, is that selfless and independent minded.
That's why decentralization, and minimal power to those positions is the only solution. A bit cheesy, but who watches the watchers.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:30 pm to Sentrius
If someone would just shoot the DA in the head the next one might think twice before using the law to criminally seize innocent peoples property.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:50 pm to Sentrius
what has America become and what the hell is wrong with people?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 7:59 pm to bencoleman
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If someone would just shoot the DA in the head the next one might think twice before using the law to criminally seize innocent peoples property.
I'm glad I'm not the one saying it, but I"m glad someone is
ETA: I only mean glad in the sense that I find it interesting, not that I agree or sympathize with those views in any way.....
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:07 pm to Sentrius
There are no public defenders in civil cases so basically they can take everything you own unjustly and if you have anything left you have to give it to lawyers to try and get your assets back.
It's a vicious cycle, just like our Overlords want it.
It's a vicious cycle, just like our Overlords want it.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:11 pm to CptBengal
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It's the ivory tower effect. It exists in all entrenched positions of authority.
And corrupt prosecutors never face criminal charges for civil rights violations, no matter how egregious the abuse of power. The DOJ is part of the same club so they look out for each other.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:13 pm to Ole War Skule
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I'm glad I'm not the one saying it, but I"m glad someone is
After about the third or fourth one I bet they would start to rethink all of this seizure stuff.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:17 pm to Sentrius
This is unbelievable. How do they have the right?
If the state can seize your property for no good reason, then how is this country any different from one where citizens have no rights?
If the state can seize your property for no good reason, then how is this country any different from one where citizens have no rights?
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:20 pm to Ole War Skule
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If someone would just shoot the DA in the head the next one might think twice before using the law to criminally seize innocent peoples property.
I'm glad I'm not the one saying it, but I"m glad someone is
ETA: I only mean glad in the sense that I find it interesting, not that I agree or sympathize with those views in any way.....
i'd have absolutely no problem with it ... i think civil forfeiture abuse is the 2nd most unconstitutional action a government can take ... people in red states think they're immune due to some pr reaction against the kelo case, but most don't know their state's laws still allow it ...
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:22 pm to bencoleman
quote:No, they would have armed soldiers guarding the DA 24/7. He would ride in an armored vehicle. Swat would be on guard looking for a reason to shoot somebody. They'd waste even more money upping security.
After about the third or fourth one I bet they would start to rethink all of this seizure stuff.
That's the problem in this country. People in power never "get the message" and change what isn't right. They double down.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:26 pm to PrimeTime Money
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No, they would have armed soldiers guarding the DA 24/7. He would ride in an armored vehicle. Swat would be on guard looking for a reason to shoot somebody. They'd waste even more money upping security.
That's the problem in this country. People in power never "get the message" and change what isn't right. They double down.
Well if they are so stupid that they couldn't see the insanity of that well then they are stupid.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 8:51 pm to Scoop
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There are no public defenders in civil cases
And calling this shite 'civil cases' is legal camouflage for fricking theft.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:00 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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And calling this shite 'civil cases' is legal camouflage for fricking theft.
Best way it can be phrased
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:36 pm to Sentrius
Man this is scary. All over $40 of drugs? The kid is just a resident there, not the owner. Similar to how drug dealers put their cars in their mom's name so how is this even legal?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:41 pm to Sentrius
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Philadelphia has been seizing and selling millions in property from city residents, including those not charged with crimes.
Anyone interested/pissed off by this needs to watch "The Art of the Steal" now. It's available on Netflix Instant.
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