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Can the Saints top Denver in offense from last season?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:08 am
QB: Brees is on the same level or just a step below Manning at this point but Drew has been one of best 3 QB's over the last 5 years
RB: No one expected that kind of output from Moreno last year. Ingram turned it on the last 6 games last year and the Saints still have Thomas, Robinson, and Cadet which I think is a better group than what Denver had last year.
WR: This is where Denver has a big advantage, the Saints have no one who can match DT88 and Decker was almost a #1 himself (He isn't but he put up #1 numbers) The Saints have Colston who is solid, Stills who is improving and showed great promise, Toon who should see an improvement, and the wild card in Cooks who is just a playmaker by nature. The Saints appear deeper than Denver last season but they may lack that true #1.
TE: This is the Saints biggest advantage.... Jimmy Graham is a monster at TE. Yes he suffers from occasional alligator arms but outside of a healthy Gronk no one in the league can match him. Denver has a very good TE themselves in Thomas but he is at least 2 notches below Graham as a receiver.
Offensive Line: Denver last year suffered a few injuries on their line but they still held their own. it helped that Manning has such pocket awareness and a quick release as it helped him avoid sacks. Brees imo tends to hold onto the ball a little longer hoping to find a receiver and takes a bit more sacks because of this. However, the Saints have one of the best offensive lines in pass protection in the NFL so I count this as a wash.
So can the Saints outscore what Denver did last year?
RB: No one expected that kind of output from Moreno last year. Ingram turned it on the last 6 games last year and the Saints still have Thomas, Robinson, and Cadet which I think is a better group than what Denver had last year.
WR: This is where Denver has a big advantage, the Saints have no one who can match DT88 and Decker was almost a #1 himself (He isn't but he put up #1 numbers) The Saints have Colston who is solid, Stills who is improving and showed great promise, Toon who should see an improvement, and the wild card in Cooks who is just a playmaker by nature. The Saints appear deeper than Denver last season but they may lack that true #1.
TE: This is the Saints biggest advantage.... Jimmy Graham is a monster at TE. Yes he suffers from occasional alligator arms but outside of a healthy Gronk no one in the league can match him. Denver has a very good TE themselves in Thomas but he is at least 2 notches below Graham as a receiver.
Offensive Line: Denver last year suffered a few injuries on their line but they still held their own. it helped that Manning has such pocket awareness and a quick release as it helped him avoid sacks. Brees imo tends to hold onto the ball a little longer hoping to find a receiver and takes a bit more sacks because of this. However, the Saints have one of the best offensive lines in pass protection in the NFL so I count this as a wash.
So can the Saints outscore what Denver did last year?
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 1:38 pm
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:12 am to tduecen
I don't think they'll top what Denver did last year but I expect our offense to do very well. I also don't think we need to do as well as they did to win a bunch of games and possibly a Super Bowl.
.....but ill be VERY happy if we do top them....
.....but ill be VERY happy if we do top them....
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:02 pm to tduecen
"Brees imo tends to hold onto the ball a little longer hoping to find a receiver and takes a bit more sacks because of this"
I actually think its because Drew can't see over the line as well as Manning due to height and sometimes has to wait for passing lanes to open up.
I actually think its because Drew can't see over the line as well as Manning due to height and sometimes has to wait for passing lanes to open up.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:12 pm to BRL79
Possibility of that as well
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:19 pm to tduecen
quote:
Can the Saints top Denver in offense this season?
15 pt and 409 yards > 8 pts and 306 yards vs the Seahawks in the post season.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:19 pm to tduecen
I think the closer we are to topping Denver in offense, the further we are from an SB.
Our defense should be pitching shutouts and allow our offense to coast to victories
Our defense should be pitching shutouts and allow our offense to coast to victories
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:21 pm to pookiebear
quote:why Denver made it to the post season? They just didn't "coast" they kept their foot on the pedal so to speak
I think the closer we are to topping Denver in offense, the further we are from an SB.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:26 pm to tduecen
Denver was a lot of short passing, but they had guys who could get YAC. They didn't run it very well.
I envision this offense pounding the opponent into submission. I see an emphasis on short to medium routes, and take our shots downfield at times. I see us being very efficient. I don't know if we'll break any records though.
I envision this offense pounding the opponent into submission. I see an emphasis on short to medium routes, and take our shots downfield at times. I see us being very efficient. I don't know if we'll break any records though.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 12:42 pm to tduecen
Can the Saints top Denver in offense this season?
Don't care at all TBH.
I want to be balanced run vs pass (as we have all said once or twice) and to be top ten in TO differential.
The final icing on the cake would be home field advantage.
Don't care at all TBH.
I want to be balanced run vs pass (as we have all said once or twice) and to be top ten in TO differential.
The final icing on the cake would be home field advantage.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:03 pm to tduecen
Decker is a NY Jet.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:06 pm to Mouth
No, we cant
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Mouth
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Decker is a NY Jet.
did this really take 10 posts to point out? wtf
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:11 pm to tduecen
i say no but i think we can top them for this season, mannings arm is slowly getting worse so thats not good, but they are also throwing more flags so theres no holding by the DBs. we just have to see.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:17 pm to Patrick O Rly
Agreed
I'm completely fine with an efficient grind based offense(makes drews job easier)
It'll open play action too
Also we have so many red zone options:
Graham/Colston/Toon/Cooks and Pierre out of the backfield.
I'm completely fine with an efficient grind based offense(makes drews job easier)
It'll open play action too
Also we have so many red zone options:
Graham/Colston/Toon/Cooks and Pierre out of the backfield.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:18 pm to tduecen
I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Denver set a record for points per game and points per season. I don't think they broke the Saints 2011 yardage records.
Anyway, I think the Saints will be more committed to run-pass balance to set any kind of offensive records.
I'm hopeful they will be so efficient that they can score a shitload of points per game just so that none of the games are nail biters .
It'd be nice to have some shutouts or near shutouts from the defense.
Anyway, I think the Saints will be more committed to run-pass balance to set any kind of offensive records.
I'm hopeful they will be so efficient that they can score a shitload of points per game just so that none of the games are nail biters .
It'd be nice to have some shutouts or near shutouts from the defense.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:21 pm to LSUFreek
Correct.
2011 Saints - 7474 yds.
2013 Broncos - 7317 yds.
2011 Saints - 7474 yds.
2013 Broncos - 7317 yds.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:23 pm to Mouth
quote:You don't say and last year he was a Denver Bronco when they set the record for offense
Decker is a NY Jet.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:38 pm to tduecen
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You don't say and last year he was a Denver Bronco when they set the record for offense
You didn't realize he wasn't on Denver's team this year...
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WR: This is where Denver has a big advantage, the Saints have no one who can match DT88 and Decker was almost a #1 himself (He isn't but he put up #1 numbers)
Back to the point, a lot of people think Denver upgraded it's WR position by getting Emmanuel Sanders. That was the point you were trying to make.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:42 pm to moneyg
quote:Actually I did, at the end when I asked the question if the Saints can top the Broncos offense from last year, but I've clarified the title since that is all people read anyway
You didn't realize he wasn't on Denver's team this year...
Posted on 8/10/14 at 1:43 pm to tduecen
records don't win super bowls, per se
i will take a few more turnovers (in the saints favor) and an improved running game.
i will take a few more turnovers (in the saints favor) and an improved running game.
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