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Interesting quiz on welfare recipients

Posted on 8/8/14 at 6:52 am
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 6:52 am
1. An elderly person receives about how much in federal spending for every $1 received by a child?

A) $2

B) $5

C) $7


2. As of July, unemployed workers had been looking for a job for 32 weeks on average. What is the maximum length of time a U.S. worker can receive unemployment benefits?

A) 99 weeks

B) 63 weeks

C) 30 weeks


3. Which income group receives more than half of federal housing subsidies?

A) Households with incomes below $30,000

B) Households with incomes between $30,000 and $100,000

C) Households with incomes above $100,000


4. What percentage of U.S. households pays nothing in federal taxes?

A) 47 percent

B) 33 percent

C) 14 percent


5. Which of these takes the largest toll on the federal government’s bottom line each year?

A) Social Security

B) Defense spending

C) Tax expenditures (loopholes, deductions, etc., in the tax code)


6. Let’s say you’re a single male who’s earned the average wage all your life, and you’re turning 65 next year. What’s the difference between what you paid in Medicare taxes and what you can expect to receive in Medicare benefits?

A) I’ll receive about as much out as I paid in.

B) I’ll receive about $27,000 more in benefits than I paid.

C) I’ll receive about $127,000 more in benefits than I paid.


7. What percentage of people who have been on Medicare say they “have never used a government social program”?

A) 10 percent

B) 20 percent

C) 40 percent


8. The average food stamp (SNAP) benefit is about how much per person per meal?

A) $5

B) $3

C) $1.50


9. According to a 2012 Pew survey, which group is more likely to have ever benefited from at least one of the following programs targeting the poor or unemployed: food stamps, unemployment benefits, welfare or Medicaid?

A) Conservatives

B) Liberals

C) Both about equally likely



Washington Post: Catherine Rampell

quote:

Answers are based on data from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the Tax Policy Center, the Urban Institute, Pew Research Center, Suzanne Mettler’s book “The Submerged State,” the Government Accountability Office and other sources. You can find fuller documentation, explanations and caveats on my Washington Post blog, Rampage.


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C is the correct answer for every question.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:00 am to
Does social security count as federal spending for old people? Not really fair if you consider the fact they paid for it.
Posted by Radiojones
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:04 am to
quote:

2. As of July, unemployed workers had been looking for a job for 32 weeks on average. What is the maximum length of time a U.S. worker can receive unemployment benefits?

C) 30 weeks


What an amazing coincidence that the unemployed appear to find jobs right after their benefits run out.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:05 am to
quote:

What an amazing coincidence that the unemployed appear to find jobs right after their benefits run out.

Good point
Posted by Radiojones
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:11 am to
quote:

5. Which of these takes the largest toll on the federal government’s bottom line each year?

C) Tax expenditures (loopholes, deductions, etc., in the tax code)



This does not surprise me at all. This is why I am a supporter of the Fair Tax. However, with that being said I believe every federal program and department needs to be cut significantly. Hell, I worked for the Department of Energy for a few years and I still can't figure out why it should exist.
Posted by biohzrd
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:11 am to
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3. Which income group receives more than half of federal housing subsidies?


They factor in tax credits for interest paid on the mortgage. This entire quiz is too wide open, and does not break down everthing factored in to each question. It's pretty easy to sway the results in any direction you want by just adding, or subtracting certain factors.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:35 am to
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They factor in tax credits for interest paid on the mortgage.

However you want to categorize it, it's still a benefit (not sure even that's the best word). It's no different that somebody being too poor to pay taxes. They're both carve-outs.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:43 am to
quote:

4. What percentage of U.S. households pays nothing in federal taxes?


Misleading question, anyone with a job at any point in the year pays federal taxes on SS and Medicare. Then the earned income tax credit comes into play...
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:47 am to
quote:

5. Which of these takes the largest toll on the federal government’s bottom line each year?
A) Social Security
B) Defense spending
C) Tax expenditures (loopholes, deductions, etc., in the tax code)


Which one of these is not like the other? Hmmm, geee, I don't know...I see an expenditure from money collected, and then another expenditure from money collected, and then there's that one at the end there weirdly called an expenditure. Hey, that's odd...the stuff in parenthesis all mean the opposite of expenditure. Wait a minute...so the author of this test of facts about welfare actually included a "correct" answer that suggests the biggest hit to our bottom line is that we don't take enough of other people's money and we call not taking enough an expenditure.

Well that piece of information should help everyone balance their household budget. The reason they are not balancing their budget has nothing to do with what they spend in pursuit of their desired lifestyle, it is that they are spending too much on the "not taking enough from other people" expenditure.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 7:58 am to
5c is bullshite and illustrates the problem with your mindset. It doesn't cost the government anything to have loopholes and tax cuts because it's not their fricking money to begin with.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:01 am to
quote:

5c is bull shite and illustrates the problem with your mindset.

wut? Please tell me about this mindset.

quote:

It doesn't cost the government anything to have loopholes and tax cuts because it's not their fricking money to begin with.

Let's see somebody make some significant spending cuts, then we can talk.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:02 am to
Again , you assume all money is government's and they merely allow us to have some. That quiz is garbage and you know it.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3206 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:05 am to
quote:


However you want to categorize it, it's still a benefit (not sure even that's the best word). It's no different that somebody being too poor to pay taxes. They're both carve-outs.


In this case, how the questions are categorize reflects the political leanings of the person formulating the questions on the test.

This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 8:07 am
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27823 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:06 am to
Deductions... Really? How stupid do you have to be to think such a broad area should be included in a review of govt expenses?
Posted by Radiojones
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/8/14 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Let's see somebody make some significant spending cuts, then we can talk.


And there is the real problem. Neither side wants to really cut anything. Hell, we can't even get them to slow the rate of growth.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 10:45 am to
Keep in mind:

#2 - It was 99 weeks up until the end of 2013.

#3 - The use of subsidies here doesn't meet the definition of the word (but does meet the political objective of the CBPP). Subsidies by definition are a sum of money granted by the government to assist industry/business/people. A deduction (unless completely non-refundable) does not meet that definition. The Child tax credit is a subsidy as you get the cash even if you did not pay fed income tax. Deductions, you don't.

But yes, mortgage and property tax deductions tend to be used by those who have mortgages and property tax bills (shocking breakthrough study!). By framing as subsidy, the casual viewer may think it is like HUD section benefits which is their goal.

4) As the link shows, 47% do not pay federal income tax. The difference between the 47% and 14% is those who pay no income tax but pay payroll taxes (and that group by a mile will pull vastly more out through medicare and SS then they put in). But hey, better sound bite to pretend they are chipping in. Ofcourse I am not sure granting someone benefits at multiples above their contribution at my expense means they are chipping in, but whatever.

5) This one is so preposterously stupid I don't know where to begin. (a) the presumption with this is all money is the governments to start with, thus any language in the tax code that allows you to keep some of your own money is an 'expenditure'. Try that accounting in any other world and see what happens. It is created fiction. Second these fictional tax expenditures are grouped in their entirety for the comparison. Why not compare to social entitlement spending? Because the result would suck ($2.1 trillion in social entitlement spending this year). Thus we need to break that into smaller pieces (just SS) yet keep the fake 'tax expenditures' at the consolidated level. Again, ridiculous approach that a 6 year old could see through.

8) Another preposterous attempt to confuse. Food stamps are given on a sliding scale based on income. As you earn more you get less. Thus, of course an average is going to be low because the guy making $5 less then the cut off gets a very small residual amount. Then this study takes that small residual amount and spreads it over 90 meals a month to get the shock number of $1.50 as an 'average'. Why doesn't she tell us what the full benefit is? Simple - that doesn't fit the political agenda. Now people lack of mathematical understanding will have them thinking food stamp recipients are only getting $1.50 a meal. Beautiful deceit.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 10:50 am to
quote:

However you want to categorize it, it's still a benefit (not sure even that's the best word). It's no different that somebody being too poor to pay taxes.


Under that logic - So is simply existing (personal deduction). So is being married. So is the standard deduction (I love the analysis of mtg deduction never backs off pro rata the standard deduction forgone).

The income tax brackets are a benefit. Why do higher brackets have to pay more? Is the lower income brackets 'subsidized' or 'benefits'? Why isn't that in the article. Now there is our happy medium I think. Lets presume everyone has to pay the highest bracket rate as our baseline (anything else is the government subsidizing us). That's how this works right? It the is governments money not ours. Those facking deadbeats in the 10% bracket are getting a 75% subsidy. I am sure that is in the article somewhere....

Ofcourse common sense would say that having some organization take your money, but give you a sale is not them subsidizing you or giving you a benefit.
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 11:09 am to
quote:

#2 - It was 99 weeks up until the end of 2013.

simply not true. many states never had 99 weeks of unemployment to begin with. Yes some with high unemployment got 99 weeks, but they were high unemployment states. Some states had 50 weeks, some had 99 weeks.

The 99 weeks started to fade in 2010.


This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 11:09 am
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
11875 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 11:18 am to
You are correct in the 99 week fading down to a lean 73 weeks lol

But before you get too excited about some never having 99 weeks, that wasn't the question. Question was MAXIMUM for a US worker. So take the highest and that is your answer (which is why in the quiz she said 30 and not 26).

So yes, the 30 is a 2014 number that is a fraction of what it has been for several years (which was the point)
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 11:21 am to
quote:

You are correct in the 99 week fading down to a lean 73 weeks lol

But before you get too excited about some never having 99 weeks, that wasn't the question. Question was MAXIMUM for a US worker. So take the highest and that is your answer (which is why in the quiz she said 30 and not 26).

So yes, the 30 is a 2014 number that is a fraction of what it has been for several years (which was the point)

Sure but even when it was 99 weeks, there were quite a few states that didn't offer it.

And i posted 2012, 2013 was even a further reduction.

I agree the quiz has a political point but the 99 weeks is this right wing meme that is just kinda garbage IMHO.
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