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Developing talent - NFL pipeline
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:07 pm
Watching the Les Miles video on the SEC site a comment stood out to me and kind of pisses me off.
Why is it when every other swinging dick program in football has players playing at the next level that program is deemed to be developing talent and sending them to the NFL. Yet when we do it we are "losing" players to the NFL?
It is minor but for some reason that is pissing me off. Like we are getting NFL ready players as freshmen and just using them for 2-3 years and then losing them.
This program has mad a habit of developing players and sending more underclassmen to the NFL than most if not all the others and should be damn proud of our damn strong tradition of getting guys to the next level!
Why is it when every other swinging dick program in football has players playing at the next level that program is deemed to be developing talent and sending them to the NFL. Yet when we do it we are "losing" players to the NFL?
It is minor but for some reason that is pissing me off. Like we are getting NFL ready players as freshmen and just using them for 2-3 years and then losing them.
This program has mad a habit of developing players and sending more underclassmen to the NFL than most if not all the others and should be damn proud of our damn strong tradition of getting guys to the next level!
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:20 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
It's a great thing overall.
Pros: Great recruiting tool, players know that if they can do well in the LSU program, possible $NFL$ is a distinct possibility upon leaving.
Cons: In such a program, there will always be those few who decide to leave early before being ready. These few end up with no degree or NFL$.
With all the info out there nowadays, the latter are usually just hard-headed and don't heed the advice of LSU coaches and talent evaluators.
Pros: Great recruiting tool, players know that if they can do well in the LSU program, possible $NFL$ is a distinct possibility upon leaving.
Cons: In such a program, there will always be those few who decide to leave early before being ready. These few end up with no degree or NFL$.
With all the info out there nowadays, the latter are usually just hard-headed and don't heed the advice of LSU coaches and talent evaluators.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:23 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
good point i haven't noticed the undertone there until you pointed it out... things could be worse than having the most NFL draft picks the past 2 years (give or take)... i see why it upsets the fans but how can the national opinion skew that into a bad thing... and it's a big reason why we were able to get such a great class last year
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:31 pm to madddoggydawg
It's just the storyline that espn has developed for us. Journalist don't actually come up with their own thoughts anymore, just follow the script.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:46 pm to madddoggydawg
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i see why it upsets the fans but how can the national opinion skew that into a bad thing
As was said above, perception. You just have to be honest about these things, Louisiana is a poor state. A large % of our athletes come from poor families and athletics is their possible way out.
While you'll never see LSU mentioned as a top academic institution, they(AD) have done an outstanding job of graduating enough athletes to rank very near the top in the SEC lately. In that regard LSU is usually at least 2 or 3 behind of course Vandy.
I'd challenge any other SEC AD to match LSU's blend of sending athletes to pro careers, and graduation rates.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 2:53 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
I think other coaches are having a really hard time neg recruiting LSU these days. We really are a phenomenon when it comes to putting underclassmen in the NFL and developing freshmen as starters. No one else comes close. Does that worry some SEC coaches, especially some big time coaches who influence ESPN? Damn right. Now they have "experts" saying it might not be in the best interests of the players to leave early. I'm the first to say it's not in the best interest of LSU for them to leave early, but our players drafted as juniors have done very, very well for the most part. My new mantra is LSU = NFLU. Fact.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 3:24 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
1. LSU keeps losing players to the NFL.
Vs.
2. LSU sends more underclassmen to the NFL.
1. Sounds like players can't wait to get away from the program to they can finally show their talents.
2. Sounds like the coaches have developed the players to a point at which they are NFL ready earlier than most other schools.
I see why it bothers you. What's really funny is that LSU doesn't always have top 5 or 10 classes according to the recruiting services
Vs.
2. LSU sends more underclassmen to the NFL.
1. Sounds like players can't wait to get away from the program to they can finally show their talents.
2. Sounds like the coaches have developed the players to a point at which they are NFL ready earlier than most other schools.
I see why it bothers you. What's really funny is that LSU doesn't always have top 5 or 10 classes according to the recruiting services
Posted on 8/5/14 at 3:36 pm to toughcrittercrumb
Exactly. I strongly believe that if a certain near midget that coaches at a program northeast of ours put the same number of under classmen in the NFL each year it would be talked about in much more glowing terms.
When looking at the 2013 and 2014 drafts and having 6 players and 5 players selected in the first 3 rounds - that is really outstanding. I don't think another school has had 11 players drafted in the first 3 rounds over those two years.
The school that starts with an "A" has had 7 (4 fewer) in those two years.
That is some damn strong draft classes.
When looking at the 2013 and 2014 drafts and having 6 players and 5 players selected in the first 3 rounds - that is really outstanding. I don't think another school has had 11 players drafted in the first 3 rounds over those two years.
The school that starts with an "A" has had 7 (4 fewer) in those two years.
That is some damn strong draft classes.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 3:50 pm to Ldrake53
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I think other coaches are having a really hard time neg recruiting LSU these days. We really are a phenomenon when it comes to putting underclassmen in the NFL and developing freshmen as starters.
Yep, one leads to the other.
And I'll take it a step further, if you don't think these incoming guys love that aspect of LSU's program, that their is immediate need for you to produce from day one, then you're nuts.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 6:37 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
To be fair, our own fans said we couldn't develop players. We are the most talented team yet lose. But then February comes around and they shite bricks when we have the 12th ranked recruiting class, then shite bricks when we lose, as if 4 other teams we played that year didn't have a higher rated recruiting class.
But here are the facts, we are one of the most talented schools if you go off of rankings of players in hs. Now let's say that again, high school. But that doesn't mean you will win every game. These kids need to be coached up and prepared, none of them are NFL ready at 17 years old. Some of them didn't start playing until their sophomore or Jr years of hs. Our coaches take players with talent and coach them up. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't like LSU or his just blinded by his hate for Les Miles.
But only LSU wins because of talent and loses because their coach.
But here are the facts, we are one of the most talented schools if you go off of rankings of players in hs. Now let's say that again, high school. But that doesn't mean you will win every game. These kids need to be coached up and prepared, none of them are NFL ready at 17 years old. Some of them didn't start playing until their sophomore or Jr years of hs. Our coaches take players with talent and coach them up. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't like LSU or his just blinded by his hate for Les Miles.
But only LSU wins because of talent and loses because their coach.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:13 pm to dgnx6
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But only LSU wins because of talent and loses because their coach.
That's the beauty of Les Miles growing into his position as LSU's CEO/GM as opposed to only HC imo.
The great leaders are those with great delegation skills.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:35 pm to SouthdownsTiger
one thing that fans and the media need to realize is that due to the new CBA players leaving early even without a first round grade is here to stay for two reason
1) The new slotting system of rookie contracts greatly lessens the overweight that used to exist when comparing first round picks compared to the lower rounds
2) and this HUGE and no one talks about it. but also due to the new CBA a players big pay day is no longer on his rookie contract (thanks Jamarcus) but rather on his first FA contract after his rookie contract. The way the CBA is written is that 1st round picks can be locked up at the teams option (I believe) for a 5 year contract. All other picks (2-7 round) can only have a max of 4 year contracts, therefore an underclassmen drafted not in the first round could possibly receive his BIG FA contract 2 years earlier than if he stays 4 years and is drafted in the 1st round. A player is almost better off (especially the way players think they all will be stars and get that big FA contract) leaving early and not getting drafted in the first round to get the big FA contract 2 years earlier than otherwise.
Basically I think players leaving early for the draft is only going to get worse not better as more people realize this.
1) The new slotting system of rookie contracts greatly lessens the overweight that used to exist when comparing first round picks compared to the lower rounds
2) and this HUGE and no one talks about it. but also due to the new CBA a players big pay day is no longer on his rookie contract (thanks Jamarcus) but rather on his first FA contract after his rookie contract. The way the CBA is written is that 1st round picks can be locked up at the teams option (I believe) for a 5 year contract. All other picks (2-7 round) can only have a max of 4 year contracts, therefore an underclassmen drafted not in the first round could possibly receive his BIG FA contract 2 years earlier than if he stays 4 years and is drafted in the 1st round. A player is almost better off (especially the way players think they all will be stars and get that big FA contract) leaving early and not getting drafted in the first round to get the big FA contract 2 years earlier than otherwise.
Basically I think players leaving early for the draft is only going to get worse not better as more people realize this.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 7:51 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
Why has this "habit" as you put it not resulted in more National Championships with that talent level?
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:00 pm to DIGGY
You can't have it both ways; either those classes that weren't ranked in the top 10 should have been, and LSU recruits better than the experts say, or LSU develops three stars much better than other programs.
As to more NCs, It's not rocket science to figure out. The reason we didn't win a NC in 2011 is 1) because our offense was not very good; we should have hired a top notch OC much sooner and that is on Coach Miles, but he hit a home run with CC, and 2) we shouldn't have had to play Bama after we beat them at their house. Shouldn't have happened.
As to more NCs, It's not rocket science to figure out. The reason we didn't win a NC in 2011 is 1) because our offense was not very good; we should have hired a top notch OC much sooner and that is on Coach Miles, but he hit a home run with CC, and 2) we shouldn't have had to play Bama after we beat them at their house. Shouldn't have happened.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 8:20 pm to Ldrake53
21-0 eighty seven Miles from your campus makes the redo argument ineffective. Georgia has had as much or more talent than we have over the same period and cannot translate it to NC either. Only 2 current coaches are able to translate top high school talent to college level players and get them to work within their program to win multiple NC, Saban and Meyer. Time will tell if Jimbo can. Les appears to have the talent in place but that can be said for his previous versions of the Tigers as well and no title was produced. Here's to climbing the mountain with this talent!!
Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:06 pm to DIGGY
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21-0 eighty seven Miles from your campus makes the redo argument ineffective.
Only to maybe a dumbfrick like yourself. There have been quite a few rematches in college football and few worked out well for the original winner.
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Georgia has had as much or more talent than we have over the same period and cannot translate it to NC either.
Jawja hasn't won shite since Herschel Walker. In the meantime, LSU has won two BCS natty's.
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Here's to climbing the mountain with this talent!!
Here's to you maybe having the balls to post as a fan of your true team on here. frick off idiot.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:13 pm to Ldrake53
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The reason we didn't win a NC in 2011 is 1) because our offense was not very good
LOL
12 teams quit well before game end and another quit in OT.
At the start of 2013 season, the 2011 O was the #2 all time LSU offense for # of rushing and passing TDs, just behind Miles '07 team.
I haven't checked a Media Guide lately, but pretty sure '11 is still up there with the best.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 9:22 pm to SouthdownsTiger
It's not a great thing if you want LSU to win championships.
I've said it 100 times I'm selfish.
I love LSU winning championships more so than if a player makes it in the NFL.
I've said it 100 times I'm selfish.
I love LSU winning championships more so than if a player makes it in the NFL.
Posted on 8/5/14 at 10:20 pm to Mayhawman
Okay; we could run it down the throats of just about every defense in the country. Except the number 1 defense. We were 99th in the nation in passing. That just isn't a very good offense to my way of thinking. It always ends up with JJ vs Lee and I hate that; we just didn't have an offense that could pass against a great defense and it cost us a NC.
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