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Q - how many of the "traditional marriage" folks are Protestant?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:32 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:32 am
Q - how many of the "traditional marriage" folks are Protestant?
I'm just curious. It is the Protestants who started this entire business of "redefining" marriage.
Prior to King Henry VIII - marriage was until death. That was its definition. It wasn't something you could just discard when you were done with it. Divorce was a black swan, only allowed under very narrow circumstances and subject to heavy scrutiny by the Church. So much scrutiny that even the "Defender of the Faith" Henry VIII could not obtain one.
After Henry VIII - anyone can just redefine their way out of marriage!!! In fact, society has been morally decaying ever since!
Discuss.
EDIT - (I know some Protestant religions disallow divorce much like the Catholic Church. Not really talking about those.)
I'm just curious. It is the Protestants who started this entire business of "redefining" marriage.
Prior to King Henry VIII - marriage was until death. That was its definition. It wasn't something you could just discard when you were done with it. Divorce was a black swan, only allowed under very narrow circumstances and subject to heavy scrutiny by the Church. So much scrutiny that even the "Defender of the Faith" Henry VIII could not obtain one.
After Henry VIII - anyone can just redefine their way out of marriage!!! In fact, society has been morally decaying ever since!
Discuss.
EDIT - (I know some Protestant religions disallow divorce much like the Catholic Church. Not really talking about those.)
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 6:39 am
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Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:38 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:I thought the definition of marriage has been around...well, since the Bible was written. how any human or king, or society wants to define it is really irrelevant
It is the Protestants who started this entire business of "redefining" marriage.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:38 am to SpidermanTUba
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how many of the "traditional marriage" folks are Protestant?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:40 am to lsuroadie
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I thought the definition of marriage has been around...well, since the Bible was written.
It goes back further than that even.
It used to mean a bond until death. This is why when the King wanted your wife for his harem, he had to kill you. Life was rough back then.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 6:40 am to drexyl
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four
Thanks.
Can you name them?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:09 am to SpidermanTUba
quote:No. However, remarriage following a split was, and still is, a rarity in the Catholic Church. Remarriage following divorce sans annulment is not done in the Catholic Church.
Divorce was a black swan, only allowed under very narrow circumstances and subject to heavy scrutiny by the Church.
quote:Henry did not seek a divorce. He sought an annulment.
So much scrutiny that even the "Defender of the Faith" Henry VIII could not obtain one.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:09 am to lsuroadie
he is talking about divorce not marriages between man and man or women and women.
Just a note: there is no such thing as divorce in the Catholic Church rather the church sees that the sacrament was invalid so no marriage ever took place.
Just a note: there is no such thing as divorce in the Catholic Church rather the church sees that the sacrament was invalid so no marriage ever took place.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:11 am to lsuroadie
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I thought the definition of marriage has been around...well, since the Bible was written. how any human or king, or society wants to define it is really irrelevant
You really think marriage was originally defined by the bible?
Which kind?
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 7:14 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:21 am to SpidermanTUba
As a Catholic, I can't believe I agree with you on a point about marriage.
Of course this doesn't really do anything to an argument that God's definition of marriage is unchangeable. It just shows that men have tried to change it.
Of course this doesn't really do anything to an argument that God's definition of marriage is unchangeable. It just shows that men have tried to change it.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 7:34 am to SpidermanTUba
What?
Posted on 7/29/14 at 8:01 am to SpidermanTUba
Bad premise as it is not factual(much like most of your posts). 1.Anglican church is not protestant, not part of protestant reformation. - started in 6th century by pope gregory, st. augustine. split from roman church much like the orthodox church.
2. the whole divorce thing was just one more thing henry8 challenged, as he had been challenging the authority of the roman church for decades prior.
2. the whole divorce thing was just one more thing henry8 challenged, as he had been challenging the authority of the roman church for decades prior.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:25 am to SpidermanTUba
I don't think it is a "Protestant" thing, necessarily, as much of a "liberal Christianity" thing that has been on the rise over the past century. The law of God and God's character has been gradually ignored and even shunned as a topic of discussion and the new mottos of "no creed but Christ" and "no law but love" have popped up.
Many professing Christians have absolutely no problem having premarital sex. More and more are having adulterous affairs and leaving their families, and more are accepting of various forms of expressions of love, regardless of whether or not those expressions conform with orthodox Biblical beliefs. But this extends far beyond the traditional marriage issue.
So many Christians are ignorant of their Bibles and are fine with that, because they go to church to get their weekly pep talk and listen to rock/pop cover bands who get their heart-strings plucked. Christianity is no longer about salvation from sin through faith in Christ; it is about making yourself feel good and getting divine permission to live however you want. A new reformation is needed, badly.
Many professing Christians have absolutely no problem having premarital sex. More and more are having adulterous affairs and leaving their families, and more are accepting of various forms of expressions of love, regardless of whether or not those expressions conform with orthodox Biblical beliefs. But this extends far beyond the traditional marriage issue.
So many Christians are ignorant of their Bibles and are fine with that, because they go to church to get their weekly pep talk and listen to rock/pop cover bands who get their heart-strings plucked. Christianity is no longer about salvation from sin through faith in Christ; it is about making yourself feel good and getting divine permission to live however you want. A new reformation is needed, badly.
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